My biggest wish!!!

[unmerged(16966)]

This may have been mentioned before, but I really want to see an option to be able to attach up to all four of the specialized brigades to an infantry unit. So each unit will have like the potential to carry an anti-tank, anti air, engineer or artillery, just like a real infantry division. I figure that if you want to add one, than it should cost like 3-4 IC, and that infantry unit gets upgraded in the build screen for a few months. Kind of like upgrading a ship. With this is mind, i think the starting stats for an infantry unit, without any attached brigades should be a little lower. This way the benefits of attaching extra units is even more pronounced. Just my wish!

 

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AFAIK (and I hope I'm not making a complete fool of myself here)
1 infantry division: usually 3 Regiments (+ support) or 3 Brigades (organic support)
1 infantry divison +4 Bdes = 7 Bdes = 2.3 divisions ....

What you mean is division-level attachments (indeed AT, AA, Recon, Eng, Cav, Bicycle etc.) which my book tells me are mostly Btn-sized ... (German Army 1944)

And these division-level attachments plus the regimental-level attachments already benefit from many, many techs ... Infantry AA+1 for instance does not mean that the infantry gets better at shooting down planes but that the AA-part got better weapons/equipment ...

Adding ONE extra Bde to a vanilla division sounds about right to me ...

Another thing: In-game there are pros and cons for adding a Bde, most of the time they're just not cost-effective ...

and actually I think that vanilla inf should not be out-performed by a single added Bde (as is the case with artillery) and should therefore have stats that are relatively high when compared to a current vanilla div (with respect to an added Art-Bde in both cases)

On another note: Some of us forumites have deducted from one of the screenies (the Canadian one) that Brigades are now constructed seperately from the normal divisions and maybe will be attachable and detachable ... this perhaps might enable the player to attach more than one type of Bde ...
we (I) might me wrong of course ...

 

[unmerged(30686)]

This may have been mentioned before, but I really want to see an option to be able to attach up to all four of the specialized brigades to an infantry unit. So each unit will have like the potential to carry an anti-tank, anti air, engineer or artillery, just like a real infantry division. I figure that if you want to add one, than it should cost like 3-4 IC, and that infantry unit gets upgraded in the build screen for a few months. Kind of like upgrading a ship. With this is mind, i think the starting stats for an infantry unit, without any attached brigades should be a little lower. This way the benefits of attaching extra units is even more pronounced. Just my wish!

Isn't that rather over-egging the pudding as Grandma used to say?

British infantry battalions already have their own embedded A/T and mortar support. Brigades carry their own engineer and arty squadrons, not to mention Field Ambulance - and no one ever does

Just that being able to add upto four specialised brigades seems to make the unit rather "support heavy"

Just my 2bits

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

I sure hope that the Art/AT/AA/Eng/Tank and maybe more units are attachable to corps and not to divisions.

And that they are not named brigades but battalions.

IIRC this would be more historically correct.

 

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I sure hope that the Art/AT/AA/Eng/Tank and maybe more units are attachable to corps and not to divisions.

And that they are not named brigades but battalions.

IIRC this would be more historically correct.

AFAIK Btns are attached to divisions. GER Inf divisions had entire Artillery-Regiments

By taking a look at a modern OOB from John Tiller's 1985 Fulda Gap & 1985 Korea (great operational-level games btw.):
Brigades/Regiments are army-level attachments
Brigades/Regiments are corps-level attachments
Battalions are mostly division-level attachments (sometimes corps)

but remember ... the HOI-Bdes do give a substantial stats-boost ... I doubt a Btn (700-850 men, maybe 24 guns) could have that sort of an impact (might be wrong of course)

 

[sHaeBerle]

brigade attachements in HOI work like this: instead of a AT/AA/A/ENG regiment or battallion, a division gets a brigade of those special units.

this means a vanilla inf division got 1 art regiment, a Art brig attached inf division got 2 or 3 of em. same with the others.

maybe if you lack manpower, upgrading vanilla inf divs to brigade attached ones would be a great improvement instead of now disbanding the vanilla and biuldung a new one with a brigade.

 

[przy]

I sure hope that the Art/AT/AA/Eng/Tank and maybe more units are attachable to corps and not to divisions.

And that they are not named brigades but battalions.

IIRC this would be more historically correct.

Are you talking more along the lines of heavy tank battalions for the Germans?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Are you talking more along the lines of heavy tank battalions for the Germans?

Yes.

And I know that the German divisions had artillery regiments. In HOI all divisions have artillery. The attachable artillery brigade means an extra artillery unit, those were almost always at corpslevel

At corpslevel there were extra (mostly heavy) artillery battalions. (in German abteilungen). They were called Heerestruppen.

Just as there were heavy tank battalions (schwere Panzerabteilung)but also normal tankbattalions, flametanks battalions, AT (jagdpanzerabteilung) StuG brigades (which were battalionsized formations) and the same goes for AA and engineers.

 

[jfuesting]

I don't know about historically, but currently just about any size unit can be attached to a corps. It would be attached to whatever the headquarters unit is, echelon above corps, as they say. I'd definately agree with the above statements that vanilla units do not lack arty, AA, etc. These are definately native to the division. Currently, artillery units exist in batteries or battallions and are attached to infantry/armour battalions, or at the divisional level as DivArty. The "lower" level attachments tend to be more shoot & scoot as direct support for the inf/arm, while DivArty is general fire support for everybody.