My attempt at WC.
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G-B attempt to WC. I never been able to crush spain. It was my original plan but they got a PU on Austria and annex Portugal. I have been able to force them to release portugal as brasilian country but nothing more.
My Attempt as Austria
It started mutch better. I forced a PU with poland as they were in a PU with Lituania. I also PU burgundy and Hungary via mission.
I destroy france and Ottoman military.
I stopped my games mostly because all my vassal hate me. I annexed to many vassal and my empire is kind of hard to manage because of that.
My Attempt as Austria
It started mutch better. I forced a PU with poland as they were in a PU with Lituania. I also PU burgundy and Hungary via mission.
I destroy france and Ottoman military.
I stopped my games mostly because all my vassal hate me. I annexed to many vassal and my empire is kind of hard to manage because of that.
Vassal hate only lasts 30 years. You do as many as possible all at once, (7 diplomats, see above post) then 30 years later, everyone loves you again no matter how much hate you got.
Here my own attempt at World Conquest started as France :
I own 2000 Base tax which is 50% of World Base Tax and i still have 50% of the time remaining. No serious competitor since i shut down England, Castile, Portugal, Russia a century ago. Hope it goes well till the end.
I own 2000 Base tax which is 50% of World Base Tax and i still have 50% of the time remaining. No serious competitor since i shut down England, Castile, Portugal, Russia a century ago. Hope it goes well till the end.
Dealing with the French problem;
It's been nearly 100 years since France PU'd Lorrain, and he still is making no attempt to integrate. So now I must act. Looking for a way to kick off a war, I look at the alliance web. Venice (whome I left with venizia, for the sole reason to be able to DoW HRE states) was allied with Milan. Milan was allied with france. So that looked like it would work. I use the crummy Conquest CB in hopes that it will spark off an alliance chain. It works perfectly. Venice calls Milan, who becomes Warleader, who calls in france, who becomes the new leader.
I have 3 armies possitioned for a quick and bloody fight. 2 of them possition outside of Lorraine, and the 3rd waits in Sundagau. Just like the obediant ai should, france consolidates his stack then comes after me. his 114k attack me in metz, my two other armies move to reinforce, followed in short order by the vassal hordes... I move the front line army out once it hits half strength and the battle is a victory shortly after. my two full strength armies chase down and destroy his crippled stack.
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Days after the cessastion of hostilities, France requests the alliance, he now has no military, so vassalization would be a snap, However, I now have 50 AE and I loose 4 trust even though I did not DoW him...
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This may be troublesome... I really am worried the Despotic Beurocracy event may be coming soon. I may get lucky enough to have another diprep event fire before I can rebuild that trust... Time to ally some Indian minors to get dragged into a war or two as I clean up some vassals.
It's been nearly 100 years since France PU'd Lorrain, and he still is making no attempt to integrate. So now I must act. Looking for a way to kick off a war, I look at the alliance web. Venice (whome I left with venizia, for the sole reason to be able to DoW HRE states) was allied with Milan. Milan was allied with france. So that looked like it would work. I use the crummy Conquest CB in hopes that it will spark off an alliance chain. It works perfectly. Venice calls Milan, who becomes Warleader, who calls in france, who becomes the new leader.
I have 3 armies possitioned for a quick and bloody fight. 2 of them possition outside of Lorraine, and the 3rd waits in Sundagau. Just like the obediant ai should, france consolidates his stack then comes after me. his 114k attack me in metz, my two other armies move to reinforce, followed in short order by the vassal hordes... I move the front line army out once it hits half strength and the battle is a victory shortly after. my two full strength armies chase down and destroy his crippled stack.
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Days after the cessastion of hostilities, France requests the alliance, he now has no military, so vassalization would be a snap, However, I now have 50 AE and I loose 4 trust even though I did not DoW him...
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This may be troublesome... I really am worried the Despotic Beurocracy event may be coming soon. I may get lucky enough to have another diprep event fire before I can rebuild that trust... Time to ally some Indian minors to get dragged into a war or two as I clean up some vassals.
So to vassalize France you will need to get rid of it's colonies first? How did you manage to Vassalize Portugal before they got colonies?
That is the fleet basing rights screen, I opened it to check trust, since you cannot open vassalization without 190 relations (which I didnt have due to 50 ae and "was at war").
That really bugs me. I wish they'd change the diplomacy system such that:
- every diplomacy option can always be opened, even if pre-conditions are not met
- this includes being able to click the options if you don't have spare diplomats
- ditto you can always open the Peace Treaty window (Sue for Peace)
- then they simply disable the Send button if you don't have enough diplomats or don't meet whatever pre-conditions (for vassalisation, need RM, +190 or whatever: they could add Need RM as a -1000 malus if need be.)
It's really annoying, as you showed, that you can't check the exact +/- relations factors you have when you're out of diplomats or, worse, when Offer Vassalisation is disabled for pre-conditions. And I find it really annoying when I'm using all my diplomats, and have to cancel a mission just so I can enable a Diplomatic button for a second so I can check stats. Doubly annoying when it's Peace Treaty options I want to check and I'm blocked from checking for a month because I just DOW'd - all I want to know is the WS for vassalisation or something similar, 3 seconds on the PEace Treaty screen, but I have to wait a month during which I shouldnt re-assign that Dip to any other mission. Wasteful.
Actually what I'd do in this case, and in non-Ironman is save the game, then open the console and do: add_opinion FRA . Might be needed twice. i.e. artifically boost relations to 200 so that the pre-condition is met and you can click the option and check the other stats. Though in this case you'd then want to just screenshot the Trust part rather than the whole thing, as the French Opinion About Austria would be incorrect. Then just reload and carry on.
I quite like using the console for stuff like that - mini-cheats, but not ones that actually affect the game, just make life easier when the game has artificially limited me in some way.
Hovering over the tick or cross on the "offer vassalization" button gives the net attitude score for vassalization with a breakdown.
A sample screenshot:
A sample screenshot:
I did a really solid attempt at WC as Austria. By currently known methods - it's not doable. Even with super-mega diplo power you run out of christian nations to vassalize rather quickly. That leaves us with russia and Castille/Spain, Russia, The Ottomans, Even if you manage to squeeze in Portugal peacefully. IF, and its a big IF, you manage to PU Russia pre-1740, perhaps grabbing all remaining provinces in one big war could be doable (as the Expansion idea finisher will give you a CB on pretty much the rest of the world).
One thing that might be a requirement, is for Austria to accept demands of rebels and become Sunni. I'm not sure if this is even possible. But if it is, you can marry+diplovassalize the muslim North Africa and Middle east, leaving you only with Asia that you have a 50% bonus for full annexation anyway.
So the strategy would be the following, presuming you can indeed PU Russia:
- Pick Austria with Diplomatic/Expansionist ideas, followed by Offensive (for Forced March).
- Crush France + form HRE as per HRE strategy guide on Wiki.
- Form HRE super-fast. Pre 1600 is mandatory.
- PU/Integrate Burgundy, Bohemia & Hungary, as per quests
- Break out countries from PUs & mergers (Aragon, Granada, Norway etc.)
- Diplo-vassalize Portugal, Poland, Lithuania, everything else you broke out.
- Break Spain by feeding territories to Portugal and/or Granada and/or Galicia, then vassalize.
- Integrate Russia.
- Convert to Sunni?
- Start diplo vassalizing & crushing Sunni North Africa & Middle East.
???
World Conquest.
One thing that might be a requirement, is for Austria to accept demands of rebels and become Sunni. I'm not sure if this is even possible. But if it is, you can marry+diplovassalize the muslim North Africa and Middle east, leaving you only with Asia that you have a 50% bonus for full annexation anyway.
So the strategy would be the following, presuming you can indeed PU Russia:
- Pick Austria with Diplomatic/Expansionist ideas, followed by Offensive (for Forced March).
- Crush France + form HRE as per HRE strategy guide on Wiki.
- Form HRE super-fast. Pre 1600 is mandatory.
- PU/Integrate Burgundy, Bohemia & Hungary, as per quests
- Break out countries from PUs & mergers (Aragon, Granada, Norway etc.)
- Diplo-vassalize Portugal, Poland, Lithuania, everything else you broke out.
- Break Spain by feeding territories to Portugal and/or Granada and/or Galicia, then vassalize.
- Integrate Russia.
- Convert to Sunni?
- Start diplo vassalizing & crushing Sunni North Africa & Middle East.
???
World Conquest.
I did a really solid attempt at WC as Austria. By currently known methods - it's not doable. Even with super-mega diplo power you run out of christian nations to vassalize rather quickly. That leaves us with russia and Castille/Spain, Russia, The Ottomans, Even if you manage to squeeze in Portugal peacefully. IF, and its a big IF, you manage to PU Russia pre-1740, perhaps grabbing all remaining provinces in one big war could be doable (as the Expansion idea finisher will give you a CB on pretty much the rest of the world).
One thing that might be a requirement, is for Austria to accept demands of rebels and become Sunni. I'm not sure if this is even possible. But if it is, you can marry+diplovassalize the muslim North Africa and Middle east, leaving you only with Asia that you have a 50% bonus for full annexation anyway.
So the strategy would be the following, presuming you can indeed PU Russia:
- Pick Austria with Diplomatic/Expansionist ideas, followed by Offensive (for Forced March).
- Crush France + form HRE as per HRE strategy guide on Wiki.
- Form HRE super-fast. Pre 1600 is mandatory.
- PU/Integrate Burgundy, Bohemia & Hungary, as per quests
- Break out countries from PUs & mergers (Aragon, Granada, Norway etc.)
- Diplo-vassalize Portugal, Poland, Lithuania, everything else you broke out.
- Break Spain by feeding territories to Portugal and/or Granada and/or Galicia, then vassalize.
- Convert to Sunni?
- Start diplo vassalizing & crushing Sunni North Africa & Middle East.
???
World Conquest.
Forming the HRE is why you failed. I had no need to break castile (who was actually a fully formed spain) because I could vassalize him.
Russia will likely be my only thorn... Still not sure what to do about him. Everyone else can be easily pieced apart at a steady rate... look at my last screenshot... I've gotten pretty far so far.
I did a really solid attempt at WC as Austria. By currently known methods - it's not doable. Even with super-mega diplo power you run out of christian nations to vassalize rather quickly. That leaves us with russia and Castille/Spain, Russia, The Ottomans, Even if you manage to squeeze in Portugal peacefully. IF, and its a big IF, you manage to PU Russia pre-1740, perhaps grabbing all remaining provinces in one big war could be doable (as the Expansion idea finisher will give you a CB on pretty much the rest of the world).
One thing that might be a requirement, is for Austria to accept demands of rebels and become Sunni. I'm not sure if this is even possible. But if it is, you can marry+diplovassalize the muslim North Africa and Middle east, leaving you only with Asia that you have a 50% bonus for full annexation anyway.
So the strategy would be the following, presuming you can indeed PU Russia:
- Pick Austria with Diplomatic/Expansionist ideas, followed by Offensive (for Forced March).
- Crush France + form HRE as per HRE strategy guide on Wiki.
- Form HRE super-fast. Pre 1600 is mandatory.
- PU/Integrate Burgundy, Bohemia & Hungary, as per quests
- Break out countries from PUs & mergers (Aragon, Granada, Norway etc.)
- Diplo-vassalize Portugal, Poland, Lithuania, everything else you broke out.
- Break Spain by feeding territories to Portugal and/or Granada and/or Galicia, then vassalize.
- Integrate Russia.
- Convert to Sunni?
- Start diplo vassalizing & crushing Sunni North Africa & Middle East.
???
World Conquest.
Flipping between Christianity and Islam is a speciality for Ottomans, because they start being half Orthodox and half Sunni, and they have the religious unity bonus.
Yea but The ottos don't have early access to France, England and Scandinavia
I'm still interested in: Why is forming the HRE the fail?
Yea but The ottos don't have early access to France, England and Scandinavia
I'm still interested in: Why is forming the HRE the fail?
You lose out on dip rep. I'm not sure if this is compensated by increased base tax.
Apparently Reichsregiment gives you +1, being Emperor gives you another +2. So that's +3. I'm not sure whether integrating certain parts of HRE would be beneficial though. The German speaking provinces are pretty rich. I Guess Hauptman knows more about this.
Well Dagnabit!
I load up the game, Fire off a war with Persia and Vianagra, to expand my hold there and start my push into India... Then my king dies with a 1 year old heir... 14 years of nothing.
Top it off, and France finally declares a war, then doesnt call me in (would have given me the neccesary 40 trust). I shoulda stayed in bed.
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I load up the game, Fire off a war with Persia and Vianagra, to expand my hold there and start my push into India... Then my king dies with a 1 year old heir... 14 years of nothing.
Top it off, and France finally declares a war, then doesnt call me in (would have given me the neccesary 40 trust). I shoulda stayed in bed.
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