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This isn't the case now, perhaps it was before. I've had as many as 4 vassal annexations going on at once, and no restrictions on starting another one right after.

OK thanks. I wish I could remember where I saw it, and to confirm it was definitely related to annexing. But I do distinctly remember it, the tooltip said something like "We can't annex if we have already annexed another vassal in the last 10 years."

EDIT: I found it!

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"You may only Annex a nation which 1) has been your vassal for at least 10 years, during which time you have not peacefully annexed some other vassal"

So this is saying I can't have annexed another nation during the first 10 years of having this vassal?

Maybe this is an incorrect tooltip?

Or I guess it only applies if I annex NationA during the same period in which I first vassalised NationB, then maybe I have to wait until 10 years after the integration of NationA is finished before NationB can be integrated?

Needs further testing I think.
 
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OK thanks. I wish I could remember where I saw it, and to confirm it was definitely related to annexing. But I do distinctly remember it, the tooltip said something like "We can't annex if we have already annexed another vassal in the last 10 years."

I think I last saw it in 1.2.2 so maybe it was removed in 1.3 (which would be a stealth removal because it's not in the patch notes.)

Anyway I definitely like it how it is now, that 10 year wait seemed like a needless slowdown.

I am sure the 10-year rule is an EU3 thing. Starting from 1.0 in EU4 this rule is removed.
 

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I am sure the 10-year rule is an EU3 thing. Starting from 1.0 in EU4 this rule is removed.

Yup I just tested it - I released a new vassal, confirmed the tooltip said about 10 years, then I integrated another vassal. Fast forwarded for 10 years, during which the other vassal finished annexing. After 10 years were up, I could annex the new vassal as per normal. I will raise as a bug.
 

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Did you diplo vassalize Castile and Portugal or conquer them?

I allied them at game start and joined all of their north africa wars... so that I could diplo vassalize. Was able to so early due to the +5diprep event. For castile I had to crank out about 100k "extra" troops for the +20 military power bonus... God that was expensive.
 

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Would you mind writing a detailed guide of what exactly you do to pass reforms that fast and other moves made? I'm very interested in seeing how you manipulate diplomacy in such a way.
 

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This looks pretty, it is fun to see what a skilled player can do with maximum diplomatic approach (with some wars too).

What modifications are you using in total? Would be interesting to know how much can be replicated in Ironman mode.
 

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As far as that tooltip. No that's a lie... you can annex as many as you want in a row... The limiting factor is the -30 relations for each one. That however fades in 30 years regardless of how much you build up. That is what makes diplomats so needed... I currently have only 6, and can only annex 8 at a time. You stagger the first 2, giving about a year between each, then do the last 4. Once the first finishes, you can start a new one (only -30). Next one finishes, you start another. (-60 may need a quick top off on relations first). Then when you finish the last 4, all your vassals will hate you for exactly 30 years. Being able to add one more vassal to this (or be able to do other things while annexing) will speed things up for me... I dont have a whole lot of time for it, since it can only be done once every 30. And I still need to be able to pass the reforms at some point to make the HRE and erase every single other nation in the world. As it is now, some of my vassals hate me so much, they wont become my vassals through HRE reforms... so yeh, I have to stop annexing at least by 1790.
 
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This looks pretty, it is fun to see what a skilled player can do with maximum diplomatic approach (with some wars too).

What modifications are you using in total? Would be interesting to know how much can be replicated in Ironman mode.

Only "mod" is getting rid of the disapearing core bug. Otherwise after 1695, no nation will ever be able to be released. As is I still had cores disapear that shouldnt have... Crimean cores poofed in his own capital. Lithuania did NOT culture shift it. Just captured it.

After 1595, all cores disapear that arent primary culture of the one you annexed... hence all those white patches in the east. Poland lost all his land as well.. I'm not happy about that.

They really need to fix that crap.
 
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A remark for Russia: I am afraid the -5 base tax modifier difference cannot be overcome. It is a gigantic leap from -86 to -80: you need to expand your tax base to 2.5 times of the current value in order to achieve that, assuming Russia is not expanding its tax base. You may need to wait for the +5 diplomatic reputation event, and choose admin and economic idea groups and pick up the +1 diplomatic reputation from judiciary act.

And thanks for that, did not know about that extra diprep. Now I'm kicking myself for taking exploration...
 

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So another 10 years. Started by expanding my hold on the baltic... 1 more war will finish up there, then went trapsing through anatolia again... while finishing off north africa at the same time. Accrued a big whopping gob of AE in 1 go, but I need to do some more vassal cleaning anyways... that will give it time to fade. Currently a bit over my relations cap.




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Running all 3 advisors at level 3, because I can. All those vassals are making me rich!~

As this is my first attempt at WC, and I'm not exploiting any glaring flaws, I dont expect to get it... but it's gonna be fun trying.
 

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I've been meaning to try a vassal-spam Austria WC, so tips from your runs would be appreciated. But how on earth are you vassalizing the giant nations (is diplo remotely possible with the tax-base modifier?), and how did you manage quick HRE reforms now that electorate revocation has an AE cost?
 

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I've been meaning to try a vassal-spam Austria WC, so tips from your runs would be appreciated. But how on earth are you vassalizing the giant nations (is diplo remotely possible with the tax-base modifier?), and how did you manage quick HRE reforms now that electorate revocation has an AE cost?


Hauptman's Guide to the HRE;

Very first day I DoWed Trier with the revoke CB. Marched my army over and vassalized him... Second month, I DoWed Cologne for the same reason... Other diplomat was signing alliances with brandenburg and saxony, then improving relations... This gave me 2 Vassalized electors, and 2 friendly. Thus securing the next election.

Once the AE faded from that, I did it again for Palitanate giving me 5 votes, until Brandenburg started self voting. I was purposefully helping him grow. Then I fabricated a war with saxony through one of his allies and vassalized him.

When all hell breaks loose because everyone finishes their claims, there will be a lot of annexing going on... DoW when you get the liberation CB and release nations... That will nickel and dime your way up. It's slow and requires much war... but it keeps it moving.

Once the reformation finishes it's wildfire spread and you have the religious CB, it's time to start annexing electors. Target the ones with wrong religion neighbors. Annex, getting a CB on it's neighbors, hand out new electorate to a OPM you can diplo vassalize. The combination of handing out new electorates, forcing religion (through war) and releasing previosly annexed electors will finish you up quick. Until Landfriede.

Once Landfriede hits, all you have left is diplo annexing electors, and Aiding Imperial states in defensive wars. If you make nice with everyone with your now 6 diplomats, you can enforce peace in wars that include non HRE states, The game sees those as "defense of the empire". I didnt get a whole lotta chances to do that, I think maybe once, but every bit helps... Mainly a war with france got me through Landfiede. Once I passed the next reform (can never remeber it's name) and you inherit the throne... You can start canceling marriages and diplo vassalizing the monarchists within the HRE.

I was also aided by inheriting Bugundy, then rereleasing as a vassal. This gave me a nice chance to DoW france, and request Burgundian land back. After that I annexed Burgundy, added provinces to the empire, then released again. In total Burgundy gave me about 60 IA in the early game.


As far as the vassalizing majors. That's Austria's trick. You need to collect diplomatic reputation. Diplomatic and Expansion idea sets both give 3, Austria gets another 5 from an NI, and 20% of the worlds ivory will give you another 2. With full throne strength (uhhg brain fade, what's it called?) you get another 2.5. The half doesnt round up but it can help ofset a little over extension. In total you can collect 21 diprep with an advisor. There is also the rare diplo event that can give you 5 more for 5 years.

As long as you NEVER decline a call to arms you will build trust. Trust is key. it's worth 40 points in the vassalize equation.

Diprep 21
trust 40
military 20
threatened/friendly 10

For a total of 91.

Tax base caps at 90.


Also before you can get to the ivory, there are plenty of low tax base nations to vassalize with less than 91 points. Hungary, Poland, Lithuania even though large, are poor as dirt. Vassalizing them, adding provinces to the empire, then re releasing is HUGE IA. Hungary was early enough to help me get to where I wanted to be.

One thing you must avoid, is Revoke the privilage. It takes away 3 diprep. So it's better to just individually diplo vassalize the HRE states.
 
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Hauptman's Guide to the HRE;

Awesome stuff, great work!

One thing you didn't mention is getting PUs through RMs. I assume that this is too random to achieve, it's just a lucky bonus if you do get it? All one can do is have lots of RMs, as you certainly do, and maintain high Prestige which again I'm sure you have. Or do you have any further tips for increasing the chance? Do you Claim Throne and potentially go to war with the CB once you do get your dynasty spread into other nations?

As long as you NEVER decline a call to arms you will build trust. Trust is key. it's worth 40 points in the vassalize equation.

So is this trust universal? I mean, say I decline a Call to Arms from Portugal - will that also destroy trust with England and Japan?
 

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Here's the Update.

I got stopped cold for about 10 years with a 0 dipskill monarch and too many non imperial vassals... I was gaining 1 point a month with a level 3 advisor... So I couldnt get Baluchastan's land back. However he just died, and it's going to be game on very shortly (once I ammas some points, and clear a vassal or two).



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France refuses to integrate Lorraine, so I'm going to have to attack and vassalize it myself. The jerkface.
 

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Awesome stuff, great work!

One thing you didn't mention is getting PUs through RMs. I assume that this is too random to achieve, it's just a lucky bonus if you do get it? All one can do is have lots of RMs, as you certainly do, and maintain high Prestige which again I'm sure you have. Or do you have any further tips for increasing the chance? Do you Claim Throne and potentially go to war with the CB once you do get your dynasty spread into other nations?



So is this trust universal? I mean, say I decline a Call to Arms from Portugal - will that also destroy trust with England and Japan?

Yes trust is universal, if they know (and not rivaled) whomever you help. The points vary though. Say Portugal Dows Morocco and calls me in (because I own Tunisia and have no distant war modifier). I gain 4 trust for portugal, and spain who is also called in. England who is friendly with portugal but not allied will gain 2. I will lose 2 for morocco for going to war however. If you do the DoWing, you may loose 4. I havent checked that. Will against france after my old man nap.

Refusing a call to arms adds distrust, which is horrible. 7 points for a refused call.

As far as PU's, never rely on them. I did pick up Brandenburg, and I'm hoping for a union with Russia, but I may have to force one at some point, if he keeps getting bigger. I'm going to be expanding myself pretty fast once in india... Not much reason to release them as vassals after annexing. There tech group stinks for helping in wars.

The only way to spread you dynasty is always have 100 prestige. And as emperor of 70+ nations, I gain 6 or 7 a month. There is no decay =P
 
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Yes trust is universal,

Lovely, thanks.

The only way to spread you dynasty is always have 100 prestige. And as emperor of 70+ nations, I gain 6 or 7 a month. There is no decay =P

What gives the 6 or 7 a month? Is that an Imperial/HRE thing? I've not seen any Prestige boosting things besides Curia, Cardinals, and some Ideas/Events.

Not much reason to release them as vassals after annexing. There tech group stinks for helping in wars.

Are you sure about this? I'm confused about this, because I read in one of the recent patch changelogs that released nations would not get your technology. But mine have!

Kanem Bornu, before Full Annexation: they are poor, defenceless savages, cast cruelly onto the spikes of English imperial aggression:

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Kanem Bornu, Annexed then Released as Vassal: merely a day later, re-invented by the power of the English flag, they have transformed into modern, powerful nobles of the highest sophistication:

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What gives the 6 or 7 a month? Is that an Imperial/HRE thing? I've not seen any Prestige boosting things besides Curia, Cardinals, and some Ideas/Events.
The Emperor gains 0.1 prestige per month per member state.
 

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Are you sure about this? I'm confused about this, because I read in one of the recent patch changelogs that released nations would not get your technology. But mine have!

They gained levels - but they are still the same african tech goup. Still easily steamrolled.