'Must not marry an infidel'
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Heh...Well I guess I wouldn't mind a compromise where it was possible but very hard and required a lot of prestige as someone else suggested., it was just way too easy to do it before I tend to think your pool of potential spouses in general should be more limited to make the game not only more historical but also more challenging and less of a "eugenics simulator" but I guess I'm in the minority in that view.
+1 From me.
I would like to be able to marry an infidel. Either by lowering the negative modifier or some how changing it so its based on a geographical area. I can understand if you want to make it hard with zealous characters or easier with cynical ones. Or maybe sending a gift of gold for greedy rulers. I would also find it interesting by being able to put a whole bunch of different religions in my kingdom/empire and see the chaos that erupts.
I would like to be able to marry an infidel. Either by lowering the negative modifier or some how changing it so its based on a geographical area. I can understand if you want to make it hard with zealous characters or easier with cynical ones. Or maybe sending a gift of gold for greedy rulers. I would also find it interesting by being able to put a whole bunch of different religions in my kingdom/empire and see the chaos that erupts.
Frankly, I find allowing Pagans to cross-marry other pagans without any other faith to do so is even worse than not allowing any. Such religions had no relation to each other, and are only grouped as such for simplicity's sake. It feels somewhat like the oversimplified EU3 'Pagans'.
...not only more historical but also more challenging and less of a "eugenics simulator" but I guess I'm in the minority in that view.
You do realise this is the CKII forum, right? CKII is differentiated from paradox's other 4X games by the mere fact it IS a eugenics simulator. You are playing the Dynasty and not the country.
Not being able to form intrigue options, alliances, clever claims really does hurt a large part of what I personally find fun in CKII.
My current game, I even tried educating my daughter to a new faith so I could palm her off to another realm. Guess what, even though she and the target were both Sunni, she is still rejected because of the infidel modifer.
Not a good change.
In addition, the more zealous individuals and stricter clergy members could be pleased by the conversion of the bride during the engagement/marriage. As it usually happened, as part of the deal.
If you saw it happening in a "ridiculous" scale, you must have been playing a different game than the rest of us. It never happened unless the player strived for it really hard but even then the proposal was often neglected (because "Must not marry an infidel" was a modifier, not an outright block). The AI never did it.
slavie and norse had alot of marrys in the past.. but so does norse and christian, there is also alot of marry of muslim and christian and some rare show in sweden of norse and muslim....
And in most cases, marriages, even back then, were more pragmatic than spiritual. If a very good opportunity presented itself (such as an alliance, or a suitor of excellent birth) that opportunity would trump the need for the marriage to be completely orthodox.
The only difference was, when you married an infidel, you had the hot breath of the church down your neck.
most of the marrys beentewn christian and muslim was out of love becasue it most wetn agianst the religion...
I simply find such grouping of the "Pagan" religions should be kept really to a rather superficial level. Any reluctance on accepting marriages between the pagan religions would be identical to Christian and Muslim reluctance once the religion is reformed.
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I agree. Like in irish history, where one the the o'neills married their daughter off to a norse viking to cement an alliance. Catholic and Pagan Norse. This would especially be handy if you're a diplomatic leader on muslim borders, able to get yourself into a safe position.
I agree. Like in irish history, where one the the o'neills married their daughter off to a norse viking to cement an alliance. Catholic and Pagan Norse. This would especially be handy if you're a diplomatic leader on muslim borders, able to get yourself into a safe position.
Yeah, there should definitely be a negative modifier but it should be POSSIBLE. +1.
I would have thought a DLC about the Vikings would've made it more open for marrying Norse and Catholic, but apparantly not.
+1.
Personally, I already use the Interfaith Marriage mod when I really want to play around with them, but it'd be nice if this was in vanilla and less convoluted than the mod is(which it has to be that way, because there are some silly hard coded limits, AFAIK).
Or, at least, make this easier and less convoluted to mod in.
Personally, I already use the Interfaith Marriage mod when I really want to play around with them, but it'd be nice if this was in vanilla and less convoluted than the mod is(which it has to be that way, because there are some silly hard coded limits, AFAIK).
Or, at least, make this easier and less convoluted to mod in.
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