Muslims being crushed by catholic great powers

[Menocchio]

Crusades is one of the many reasons of this. I have modded the rest of the reasons, but I don't know how to remove crusades from the game (the diplomatic option) or how to make that a crusade doesn't give holy war CB to everybody. If somebody know I would apreciate an advice about it.

 

[Theodotus1]

Historically, Castile did campaign in North Africa during the 15th and 16th century. And historically, Castile took various parts of North Africa, including Tunis. But they weren't able to keep most of it for very long, primarily because the Ottomans tended to beat them back from their various conquests.

I don't think the campaigning in North Africa is the problem -- it's just seems to be too easy for them to keep what they get their hands on. (Now, had the Ottomans not been the naval power they historically were, Spain might have in fact ended up owning most of North Africa. So if Castile is running amok in the game because the Ottomans aren't keeping them at bay, then that is probably where the game diverges from history.)

 

[Valiant_Hogers]

Ahh, as it should be.

But seriously, how do you remove or modify the DotF and disable the Reconquistia missions?

Spanish missions and delete the Continue the Reconquista mission.
DOTF is in Defines and that is in common

 

[Dafool]

Historically, Castile did campaign in North Africa during the 15th and 16th century. And historically, Castile took various parts of North Africa, including Tunis. But they weren't able to keep most of it for very long, primarily because the Ottomans tended to beat them back from their various conquests.

I don't think the campaigning in North Africa is the problem -- it's just seems to be too easy for them to keep what they get their hands on. (Now, had the Ottomans not been the naval power they historically were, Spain might have in fact ended up owning most of North Africa. So if Castile is running amok in the game because the Ottomans aren't keeping them at bay, then that is probably where the game diverges from history.)

This is actually a very important factor. As a major European power, I like to guarantee some of the North African states, because Castille and Portugal don't seem to DoW them as much when there is some other power there to protect them.

 

[jju_57]

But does it really matter if Castille owns NA? Most of the provinces are low grade and that means Castille takes a hit when it comes to researching technology. Or are the objections more culturally based where some players are mad that a catholic based european country is owning these provinces?

 

[Surgünoglu]

Historically, Castile did campaign in North Africa during the 15th and 16th century. And historically, Castile took various parts of North Africa, including Tunis. But they weren't able to keep most of it for very long, primarily because the Ottomans tended to beat them back from their various conquests.

I don't think the campaigning in North Africa is the problem -- it's just seems to be too easy for them to keep what they get their hands on. (Now, had the Ottomans not been the naval power they historically were, Spain might have in fact ended up owning most of North Africa. So if Castile is running amok in the game because the Ottomans aren't keeping them at bay, then that is probably where the game diverges from history.)

Thanks for saying this; I actually read much the same when I decided to look up the history a few weeks ago after observing the usual painting of the map yellow. That said, the reason Castile claimed behind its conquests was to ruin piratical operations. In EU3 as is, North African navies (and Muslim navies in general) are practically nil. Only when I play a very strong Ottoman Empire does this shift. It's odd.

And let's not even get into how underwhelming Venice gets to be. I remember in EU2 that beating them as the Ottomans was pretty daunting. It felt good when I finally brought them to heel.

And jju--I haven't seen them take any real hit as a result. The AI loves barren places, and seems to have no real difficulty retaining them unless the player steps in and makes them liberate, say, Milanese Algiers.

Also, it's not that we're offended that a Catholic Euro country is doing it. When Ming always took over all of Central Asia, that annoyed me too. I'm not anti-Christian or anti-European. I'm anti-blob, at least when it's the same blob nearly every game.

 

[A_Dane]

I'm "mad" because: A) it looks ugly, and i hate ugly, B) because it's completely ahistorical (by 1399, there was no way in hell Castille could have taken, and kept, most of North Africa in 20-30 years), C) it completely messes up the middle east/ottomans... probably quite a few other reasons, that I can't remember at the moment, culture has nothing to do with it for me, I don't mind castille taking over North Africa as such, I mind it when it happens in every game, and when it happens within the first 50 years of game play :/

 

[jju_57]

In the games I've played it seems that if Castille defeats Portugal and Aragon then it takes over NA. If Aragon or Portugal hold their own then Castille stays out of NA. Of course Portugal then takes over most of NA. And if Naples is lucky in their wars in Italy they take over parts of NA but that is not too common as they usually get spanked in Italy.

Bottom line is NA is a goner and it depends on how well the war for Spain went as to who gets it. Its really easy to conquer NA as a stack of 10 to 15K units is usually more than enough. I think the only reason it happens is because the AI is too dumb to know how worthless most of the provinces really are.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

In my current game as England (where I control the British Isles and most of France), Castille is actually losing to the North Africans and Algiers has taken few province from Andalusia. I don't know if it affects to their performance that Aragon is lesser partner in PU with England and Portugal is my loyal ally. I have fought only one defensive war against Castille (they tried to invade Aragon) and I didn't even take anything from them, so it shouldn't be completely my fault that they can't defeat their enemies.

 

[il_loco]

Give stronger navies and navy leaders -if they are autonomous privateer states- and buff a bit more galleys in Mediterranean. At least they won't lose all their navies in one big swoop and when combined they will be able to repel Castillian navy.

 

[grommile]

But does it really matter if Castille owns NA? Most of the provinces are low grade and that means Castille takes a hit when it comes to researching technology. Or are the objections more culturally based where some players are mad that a catholic based european country is owning these provinces?

To the extent I object, my objection is founded on the stupidity of AI Castille giving itself indigestion by eating North Africa.

 

[Hootieleece]

In my current game as Ottomans, Castille still owned North Africa. I have fought three wars with them to white peace.To defend the Mamelukes. Can't beat Castille's big ships. I finally rid myself of the horde annoyance by creating vassal buffers, but found myself WAY behind in tech. I own all of greece, Asia Minor, Syria, some of Arabia, Iraq, and the Crimea. I have been following the missions. My latest mission Annex Egypt. I started a war with mamelukes it went well I took Alexandria. I was going to connect it to palestine in the next war. Anyway I hadn't finished my war when Castille decides to Dogpile the Mamelukes along with Naples, Tuscany, and DENMARK! Needless to say war goes badly for Mamelukes. Castille takes the provinces I need for land bridge to Alexandria. It did this while its mission says colonize the Caribean.

 

[jju_57]

Castille takes the provinces I need for land bridge to Alexandria. It did this while its mission says colonize the Caribean.

Maybe they are geographically challenged and got lost?

 

[Stratagyfan101]

I think the real root of the problem, is that the AI conquers for the sake of conquering, like a horde.

 

[Dafool]

I think the real root of the problem, is that the AI conquers for the sake of conquering, like a horde.

Not exactly. The AI conquers like most players do: It finds the best route for expansion and then destroys everything in its way. Castille goes after the North Africans because they're weak, it has a good CB, and it's surrounded by other large powers (Portugal, Aragon, & France).

 

[unmerged(357555)]

I think the problem is the same as allways. Hordes are extremelly strong and they shouldn't be like that in the XV. That's why Ottomans used to disapear in most of the games and they cannot help Moroco and Algiers. If Timurids reach Tracia in most of the games how the hell will the Ottomans be able to have a decent army?

 

[fridabina]

Hordes are extremelly strong and they shouldn't be like that in the XV.

The hordes are not too strong, but they should have more inner conflicts. (Fight eachother more) Also Timurids should beat up Ottomans early in the game. (as they did historicaly)

 

[unmerged(361324)]

To be fair if a country like France would have focused all of their military strenght towards defeating the Ottoman Empire they probably could have but they where unable to do so IRL but as Europa Universalis is all about writing new history this doesnt bother me one bit.

 

[Munashiimaru]

My current hansa game Morocco has a foothold in spain and a strong navy, and Venice has a rather large Balkan empire (ottomans are getting picked apart by Venice, Me, and Sicily).

 

[pyroclastic]

The other problem is that converting provinces is way, way too easy. Compare the 1399 religious mapview with the 1820 one and, aside from the Reformation, there's hardly any difference. The changes that you do see (the Russian steppes going Orthodox, Granada Catholic, Thrace Sunni) were almost all the result of migrations (willing or not), not conversions. But in the game, Castille and pals turn North Africa Catholic by 1500. That allows them to blob without being slowed down significantly by rebels.