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sherdil

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I would just like to ask what is the definition of the most powerful son? Since the succession law is "open", how do I make my second or third son inherit the crown if let us say my first son is a possessed, hedonistic, syphilitic imbecile? :)

Thanks for your informed replies!
 

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Yeah I can field that question because I had previously modded Open/Turkish to be available for Christians and tried it for a few games.

Your son with the highest title tier seems to win automatically, and if several are equal, then it looks at the amounts of titles.

So if you have two sons, A and B, and A is a king while B has twelve dukedoms, its A.
If they're both kings, but A has 1 kingdom and 12 duchies while B has 2 kingdoms and a single county, its B.
In the case of an absolute tie, I believe it defaults to age. 1 kingdom, 2 duchies 4 counties each, oldest will inherit, but a single extra barony for B means he wins.

- Sons outside your realm count too -. If you manage to make your son the ruler of a foreign nation, say, by pressing a carefully engineered claim, and ensures none of his brothers are more landed than he is, then inheritance will "merge" your realms into one. I accidently did that once and ended up having roughly Angevin lands plus... Russia when my ruler died. Odd game.

Either way, the sons who lose all get succession CBs and are extra likely to use them. I've routinely had brothers with a mere single dukedom DOW my "two empires 10 kingdoms" main guy. Whats nice is that you only need to beat them once and then they lose the claim and fall in line, becoming good vassals overnight. Although this is much less true for Muslims, who pretty much always hate their brothers at least a little. I'd advise landing properly only one guy and leaving barebone scraps to the others.
 

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Grandsons can also inherit if they have more land than your sons.

In my game when I had only 1 son my father was 2nd in line, and my brother was 3rd (my uncles must have come after that).
 

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Preference is always on descendants of the current ruler in Open succession, I believe. If they're unavailable, brothers are next in line.
 

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I believe that having more vassals contribute to the power. If i remember right giving a 6 holding county too my youngest son will make him inherit rather than the eldest son who for example only got a county with 5 Holdings.
 

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Resurrecting this thread. I was playing as the Emir of Alexandria, second son of the Caliph-King of the Fatimids. After having assassinated my older brother, I inherited the realm... However, NONE of my 8 sons ended up as heir or pretenders, but rather my Emir brother-in-laws. Fine, I thought, and imprisoned, assassinated and revoked their various titles. What happened? My "kinsmen" and "nephews" ended up as heirs or pretenders instead. Some were even COUNTS! This despite the fact that my most powerful son had two emirates and like 6 sheikdoms.

The way I've solved it was by giving my son the Caliph title. This raised one theory for me. Pretty much all of my landed sons were Christians, either Miaphysites or Orthodox. This was because I'm planning on restoring a Miaphysite Egyptian Kingdom. Anyhow, this suggests that Turkish/Open Succesion ignores Christians, unless they are somehow vastly more powerful than the alternatives. This seemed to happen only when I transferred the Caliph title to my MIAPHYSITE son, because when I did, he immediately became my heir (I'm still King of Egypt).

Any other theories?