Every Muslim ruler should learn topiary. Well-trimmed family trees make life much easier.
Muslim decadence, Wars against family is a must!
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I feel that family decadence should only affect Muslims if the family are under the direct jurisdiction of the player character. If you have a brother in an independent kingdom, his kids should not contribute to your decadence rating. Same if you landed a bunch of brothers generations ago and now the cousins that are under the jurisdiction of your vassals start to breed like rabbits. In other words, only the family members that are in your court should affect your decadence.
But it is ballance issue. You wont to have + relationships and alliances together with + Bonuses for low decadence, invasions CB's and other perks musslim rulers have? Decadence is the only thin that keep them somethat in check.
It also requires you to murder every last male member of your dynasty save your sons. Who you then kill when you inherit. Woop-dee-doo. For a dynastic game, CKII really doesn't want you to have sprawling Muslim dynasties, does it? What I'm asking for is that you only have to deal with the dynastic members under your direct jurisdiction. In order to offload them all to different jurisdictions, you would have to give out a ton of titles. Handing out titles to your dynasty carries its own risks and rewards, mainly claimant wars. This might also entice the AI to be more aggressive (not very likely, but possible) in order to get more land to ensure their specific decadence doesn't go up. Though this would almost certainly require Cadet branches, or a rework of how decadence is calculated so it doesn't go to the whole dynasty. Score is already calculated like that.
If you land your dynasty as Walis, they don't breed so much. You can also make them mayors, and they won't marry. I like to have all my Walis of my dynasty, that way my dynasty isn't so prone to critical existence failure. And having pissed off walis from imprisoning their sons doesn't hurt very much, as they can't rebel.
Also, since all Muslims follow the same inheritance law, which is effectively gravelkind most of the time, you can give your sons multiple holdings, as long as they're all wali type holdings, and their sons for a least a few generations will be landed. Again, they don't have as many kids when they're low ranking like that.
This is the best way I've found to manage decadence without having a tiny dynasty.
But yeah, having your dynasty in charge of a foreign state is a pain in the butt, as you get decadence for what they're doing over there. Always keep your dynasty restricted to your own holdings, and if you have any decadent foreigners, invade them.
Also, since all Muslims follow the same inheritance law, which is effectively gravelkind most of the time, you can give your sons multiple holdings, as long as they're all wali type holdings, and their sons for a least a few generations will be landed. Again, they don't have as many kids when they're low ranking like that.
This is the best way I've found to manage decadence without having a tiny dynasty.
But yeah, having your dynasty in charge of a foreign state is a pain in the butt, as you get decadence for what they're doing over there. Always keep your dynasty restricted to your own holdings, and if you have any decadent foreigners, invade them.
That is the way to go in my opinion. I hold on to two sons, both being genius if possible and kill or imprison everyone else.
Only read the OP so someone have probably said this already. But, Do not give land to your family members, they will just breed like rabbits and make your decadence rise really fast. Let your sons have the counsil positions, the rest you imprison and/or kill. In the few games I have played as muslim my decadence have never been higher than the starting level.
I agree it is a wierd system, but I have heard it was common practise in the ottoman empire for brothers to imprison eachother so there would be no succesion crisis, of course not normal prison, more like a fine room in a palace. Dont know if any other muslim dynasties did that though.
I agree it is a wierd system, but I have heard it was common practise in the ottoman empire for brothers to imprison eachother so there would be no succesion crisis, of course not normal prison, more like a fine room in a palace. Dont know if any other muslim dynasties did that though.
