Muscovy The Lame
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I wondered about that. Russia running around declaring religious war on the Ming seemed a bit strange when I saw it. I guess I didn't notice whether they had expansion.
you know whats funny? Muscovy colonizes without expansion ideas after a while. I never looked at muscovian national traditions.
Pretty hilarious to see.
In my current foix run i PU'd muscovy early on, and they rook religious as first idea.
Imagine my "wait, what?" when i got a popup that muscovy got "fur" in their colony. Colony? Wait, what?
In my 2 relevant games as Sweden and Byzantium, Muscovy has been doing very poorly, despite me wanting to do well. In my Sweden game, Novgorod actually won a war or 2 against them, and is now the dominant Russian threat. In my Byzantium game I can't rely on Russia to help me vs Poland, since Muscovy is losing heavily against the hordes.
I never thought I'd see the day, but I'm seriously contemplating asking for a Muscovy buff...
I never thought I'd see the day, but I'm seriously contemplating asking for a Muscovy buff...
Nooo, no muscovy buffs. I am still trying to make my novgorodian trade hegemoney. It is so much harder than a hansa or Venice start 
Heck even Genoa has an easier time.
On topic though, the new trade system makes novgobear super strong. I can outnumber muscovy with mercenaries with only 1 or 2 loans. Its an easy matter to release perm, make a land grab, and then take the minors within the first 2 decades, then finish off the raid boss by 1480. After that your sort of a richer muscovy who wants to move west rather than east so you can get some worthwhile trade nodes.
If you were going to buff muscovy, I would actually nerf the novgorod node a bit, muscovy doesn't need the trade income and by the time it becomes relevant Russia is channeling trade from asia.
Heck even Genoa has an easier time.On topic though, the new trade system makes novgobear super strong. I can outnumber muscovy with mercenaries with only 1 or 2 loans. Its an easy matter to release perm, make a land grab, and then take the minors within the first 2 decades, then finish off the raid boss by 1480. After that your sort of a richer muscovy who wants to move west rather than east so you can get some worthwhile trade nodes.
If you were going to buff muscovy, I would actually nerf the novgorod node a bit, muscovy doesn't need the trade income and by the time it becomes relevant Russia is channeling trade from asia.
i'm waiting for an ai tver or an ai perm or an ai novgorod etc to form russia. Would make a fun screenshot. The strange screenshot thread had a screenshot of tver eating entire russian culture but muscovy still existed in perm and a novgorod province.. Fun one. OPM ai muscovy vassal forming russia? Bring it on.
Patch 1.8 made it possible, since muscovy isn't scripted to go for novgorod first 100% of the time, in the first two years. I don't get it, since they shoot themselves in the foot by being forced to pick religious ideas because they don't have the necessary port to take expansion idea (like they always used to do. In 1.7 muscovy always novgorod before 1446 no matter what).
I cant see the problem. As there is someone to fit its roll as eastern power (novgorod or a horde or idk) I'm ok. Timeline changes the moment you hit pause button. I often saw france prone last time or austria loosing emperorship. So what. That means not that there is a vacuum then. There must not be a muscovion russia! If Ivan the Terrible historicaly would have died by an acute appendicitis in young ages..who knows?
So far in all of my games Muscovy has clearly struggled, but eventually formed Russia. In two of those games Russia then went on to dominate and in another two the Commonwealth and Asians eventually snapped it in two. All played with lucky/AI bonuses and with minimal player intervention, minus a game as Manchu where my colonization blocked off Muscovy's (and in that game Russia did fine and the Commonwealth died off).
The thing is the whole reason why we changed to a 1444 start was to allow Russia to appear more often.
Rather than nerf Russia to the ground why not just freaking move back to a 1399 start if that was what you were going to do anyway?
The Russian AI is just purely autistic now. It fucking outright refuses usually to usually expand east early on and by the time it reaches siberia, Japan or portugal is there. This is attributed due to the tartar subculture split. the tarts need to be made 1 culture again.
I didn't see the Moscovy doing too bad without my direct interference but, in general, AI cannot handle local autonomy and new rebel mechanics at all in the latest patch. And if a country expands a lot and haven't taken humanist ideas, rebels are overwhelming and can either collapse the country or exhaust its manpower, which will result into somebody declare war on it with snowballing consequences. And yes, dividing Tatars in subcultures contributes to that. Also, I've seen Ottomans collapse due to rebels more than once, same with Moscovy. On the other hand PLC is an unstoppable superpower after a new patch. Not only they have infinite manpower right off the bat now but I haven't seen any generals other than 3-star generals with stats like 5-6/5-6/*/* in droves for them without taking ANY military ideas in the XV century, they can just steamroll Moscovy if they decide to.
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I have also seen quite a few games where muscovy is getting tag team beatdowns by golden horde and poland.
Sigh, the one time my Hansa Trade Hegemony game is actually doing really well I get a super muscovy knocking on my door... Novgobear and the hordes just rolled over and displayed their belly to the beast...
Most of my games they have been doing alright, but I think the reason for them failing is that Commonwealth is too strong.
Poland gets the PU, they get into a war with Muscovy, the PLC armies beat Muscovy, then the hordes jump in and thing never recover.
PLC seems to be very strong and blobbing quite a lot.
Poland gets the PU, they get into a war with Muscovy, the PLC armies beat Muscovy, then the hordes jump in and thing never recover.
PLC seems to be very strong and blobbing quite a lot.
you do realise your autists are probably lot better at this game then the common player? Please don't use abusive or denegrating comments in this forum, thank you.