Never seen Muscovy destroyed liked this before. Now i am just giving load of golds to Golden Horde and Novgorod to see outcome.
Muscovy so not lucky this time
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Generally, if Muscovy gets smashed in its first war (which is possible if they get gang-banged on all sides) then it likely wont ever recover.
Yeah, this exactly happened in my last pre-patch Novgorod game. I haven't even noticed that Muscovy existed.
I saw Muscovy recover pretty quickly in my Denmark game in 1.7 after i smashed them in the first few wars due to tech advantage over Kazan, Crimea and Lithuania. Although they were still trapped in eastern europe with no colonization available.
I guess i did help weaken Lith/poland when i began eating them, so part of that was my fault. :mellow:
Nope it wont, i just got PUed by Mega-France which is allied to Brandeburg, Commonwealth and Novgorod, i couldnt get independence support by anyone and i got completly wrecked in independnce war, so i just rage deleted save
I don't know if its just me, but they tend to ally the Ottomans more often in 1.8. They can get quite blobby when that happens.
So far (although non-ironman, lucky nations off) I have seen a quite higher chance of Muscovy getting smashed by it's neighbours than in 1.7.
In my current game Muscovy is doing quite well. Barely fought them off as England allied with Sweden in ~1460.
Poland with Lith by it's side has been brutally bad in my game, and while Sweden and Novgorod fell into a never dying love, they didn't embrace Poland, which means Muscovy has expanded in that direction, and so has Novgorod. Who will finally win when those two throw down? I don't know. A know Orthodox country formed in Lith when they didn't deal with a huge rebellion, and that will give me (Byz) a border with Muscovy (I am close on two fronts), when I vassalize them.
What country were you playing OP? Even being involved in a region to the extent of merely being allied changes almost everything.
In my game, as an example, with my alliance Poland got into lots of wars, but all at the same time? While I was already at war? Do they contest Muscovy's inheritance of Ryzan if I am not allied to them, despite them already being at war? No, they don't.
I didn't get to help as much there as I should because they called me into the wrong war.
Would Austria be the power house? France, Castile and Austria are all pretty evenly matched, because I am the stabilizing factor there.
Muscovy eats the Horde because I am rivaled to the Horde and kick their butts every 10-15 years.
What country were you playing OP? Even being involved in a region to the extent of merely being allied changes almost everything.
In my game, as an example, with my alliance Poland got into lots of wars, but all at the same time? While I was already at war? Do they contest Muscovy's inheritance of Ryzan if I am not allied to them, despite them already being at war? No, they don't.
I didn't get to help as much there as I should because they called me into the wrong war.
Would Austria be the power house? France, Castile and Austria are all pretty evenly matched, because I am the stabilizing factor there.
Muscovy eats the Horde because I am rivaled to the Horde and kick their butts every 10-15 years.