I'm wondering what ideas set is best for muscovy/russia in 1.5. I was thinking about expansion->religious->defensive/offensive->administrative->defensive/offensive->no idea?
What do u guys think?
What do u guys think?
Muscovy/Russia ideas 1.5?
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Those seem like good choices to me, especially if you intend to suppress diplo tech to westernize before 1550. I'd say Defensive first, too.
Probably I'll supress it a little bit. Though I'm thinking about vassalizing some countries in the India region.
It's counter intuitive, but Diplomacy is a very good pick for Russia. And, even if you aren't intentionally depressing diplo tech to westernize, you can afford to let it lag. So I'd go diplo second (delaying each of the others, except expansion which should remain first, but otherwise keeping the same order).
From diplomatic ideas I was rather thinking about trade, not diplomacy, as expansion has some similar bonuses, not that good but should be enough.
Take both eventually, I'd agree with trade first (of the two) as you'll benefit from the extra merchants steering out of (or collecting in) Asia.
Well .. play style is an issue. But there's PLENTY of opportunities for Russia to take advantage af vassals - and, from an efficiency perspective, you certainly should. My last Russia game I was easily using all 8 DR slots(and even going over) - and I was annexing regularly, not holding onto my vassals. Huge saving in coring cost, etc. Ukraine, Finland, Persia etc., etc. - and that was 1.4, now you can vassalize hordes. And, of course, as you say yourself, PLENTY of vassal opportunities in India. & on the way there.
Also not sure how much benefit Russia gets from trade.
Yeah, extra diplomats are absolutely invaluable, but I like to take religion second for converting the hordes, stab, and BROT. So I do Expansion-Religious-(diplo tech 7 and build an embassy while waiting for third idea group)-Diplomatic-Aristocratic-Trade-Offensive-Naval
Maybe swap in Administrative for Trade or Naval. You could take Administrative earlier, but other idea groups are more important early on, and Administrative's a one-trick pony whose trick only gets useful once you hit India. (Assuming you vassalize China before westernizing, 85% of your expansion before then can be done with vassalize + return core.)
And if you skip Administrative with the above lineup, you'd need to core 560 base tax of provinces for the ADM saved by Adaptability to exceed the ADM cost of a full ADM idea group (since Adaptability saves you 5 ADM per BT).
If you take over the Baltic it's surprisingly easy to get quite a substantial trade income early on. Russia's not typically thought of as a trade power, I know, but controlling everything from Samarkand to Danzig is huge.
So I will go this way then: expansion->religious->diplomacy->defensive->administrative(not sure though now)->offensive->?
What about innovative instead of administrative? War exhaustion bonus is nice and free leader, -25% advisors also is quite good, but the rest bonuses are quite weak and useless.
What about innovative instead of administrative? War exhaustion bonus is nice and free leader, -25% advisors also is quite good, but the rest bonuses are quite weak and useless.
For Innovative the army tradition decay is also quite good, and the events for it are great for the most part.
. I'll than take innovative 
wuwuwait eastern tech can vassalize chinese tech? and your statement on adaptability confuses me, are you saying it doesn't pay for itself unless you core 560 base tax worth of provinces...?
The cool thing about Russia is that you don't have to core a damned thing. Administrative is wasted on Russia, especially if you're only taking it for the core cost.
idk what you plan on doing with the hordes. other than sibir and kazahk they are all out a blobby at start. I'm playing a game right now, and the hordes are where I must turn next
I was lucky enough with hordes: In my game it was like Uzbekhs who were at war with Nogai and someone else, they lost and released sibir which then was vassalized by me(I was fabricating claim on still-Uzbekhs province). After vassalization I inherited war with Nogai and forced them to return cores to sibir and Uzbeks. Then went for Uzbek and vassalized them. The only realy problematic horde is crimea which is allied to ottomans and I'm still not ready to touch them at all. They ate nearly a half of golden horde.
Exploration as first idea nets you more diplo slots, better reputation, and another colonist, which is critical to hit the Pacific before Spain. You also get the awesome CB against all of Asia.
In my game year is 1540 and I already have siberian frontier. I should reach pacific in around 40 years. As I know spain/portugal starts to colonize siberia after 1600
since they fixed japan's ability to colonize they might even take stuff if you aren't quick
I'm 3 provinces from pacific(I'm trying to reach it asap now) and then block it. If not I will have to send poor japans back to their islands. Japan's colonies are not problem, problem would be spanish/portugal ones