Please, Paradox, don't buff Muscovy. I'd had enough of seeing a massive Russia take over everything in sight in Asia in the last few patches. And I don't want OP Muscovy back.
Muscovy have been majorly nerfed
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I can't stop crying while I play Hungary: every single neighbor is more powerful and wants your 1-3 BT lands ))
I've seen only one recent serious thread about Hungary being underpowered on itself, and they really did have a point.
I honestly quit due to early game regency and absence of any particularly warm feelings for the colour or ideas or national flavour.
Just looking at its history I see reasons why it is so UP in EU4. Anyway world conquest is possible with Ryukyu or unreformed horde. Hungary shouldn't be too bad in 1.8. France is an able and willing ally ready to transfer sieges.
Ethnic aftermath of the Ottoman wars
As a consequence of the constant warfare between Hungarians and Ottoman Turks, population growth was stunted and the network of medieval settlements with their urbanized bourgeois inhabitants perished. The 150 years of Turkish wars fundamentally changed the ethnic composition of Hungary. As a result of demographic losses including deportations and massacres, the number of ethnic Hungarians in existence at the end of the Turkish period was substantially diminished.[44]
That somewhat explains low BT.
Now this is really weird. I mean, I fully understand how the concept of Germany had been there many years before the actual unification took place in 1871, but what is Ruthenia? Is it meant to be restoration of Kievan Rus just under an odd name? "Ruthenia"... it resembles mythical Tartaria, which no one has ever actually seen.Probably not a bug no, there is a precedent: Both a fully formed HRE and Germany are Germanic cultural unions, and nothing prevents the two countries to exist at the same time (albeit it can be difficult to do).
Therefore, Russia and Ruthenia could both be the Cultural union of West Slavic, with Ruthenia more centered on Ruthenian/Byelorussian lands and accepting Russians when Russia is centered on Russian lands and accept the two other cultures. Nothing wrong with that and it makes the game interesting.
If we can't get population in EU4 (and to be honest, I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms), we can at least a buffed BT for Hungary, and then have events reducing BT if Hungarian cultured provinces are not owned by Hungary or any of 3 (technically 4 in EU) nations for which it makes sense to treat Hungarians properly, Bohemia, Poland and Lithuania (and therefore the PLC).
Learn is always a bad argument, especially in this case where the problem might not be any inability to handle a strong Russia, but boredom that Russia always is strong / formed by Muscovy.
The exact same can be said about people complaining that a top nation got slightly nerfed. Muscovy "only" holds your hand now, it doesn't stick a pacifier in your mouth any longer, and people are complaining about it being nerfed. It's literally the only European nation that took a significant nerf from the colonial gimping, and it is order of magnitude less significant to this top 10 start than it is for every new world nation in the game, none of which are top 10 nations, or top 30 nations (nor should they be).
1.8 Muscovy is fine. The AI gets its pants pulled down by rebels (and Muscovy probably suffers the nationalist bug) sometimes, but that's no reason a human should be struggling when they start with solid #'s and a shock 4 general.
Ok, I see now: Polish and Lithuanian rendering for occupied old Russian (Rus, whatever) lands. Thanks for clarifying, friend.
Well, Poles and Lithuanians were foreigners in the Rus, weren't they? I mean, I'm not really good at following the logic of Ukrainian historicans in what is probably just another sick derivation of the so-called "Ukrainian history", but to me, judging on my common sense, any foreign control on a certain chunk of land done by military means is occupation. Isn't it?
However those same threads also gave good strategies to get out of this lockdown, and I believe they still work for AOW.A lot of it coming from TMIT.
Basically:
Ally Burgundy and France right off the bat.
Improve relations with Ragusa and/or Bosnia and enforce peace on Venise/Serbia when they get attacked, vassalise those countries.
Chose how to deal with Austria: Get Habsbourg dynasty via event and PU (with French/Burgundian help) or get a awesome stats Corvinus ruler and release Styria as a vassal to feed.
Get Aristocracy as first idea group with MIL focus and advisor and take the first idea asap, giving you godlike cavalry (improve to FL only with cav). Then alternate tech and ideas to keep parity with neighbours.
You can try and meddle in the Polish war against the Teutons and set a claim on Ruthenia (to release Halich-Volhnya later), but this is more dangerous.
You can even get a piece of Italy by improving relations with Urbino and vassalising it. Usually the Pope might jump on them, getting you a papal vassal!
Thus in the first two decades, you have numerous areas for expansion, and Austria should be almost broken (either your PU or losing the crown due to low prestige) with a sizable amount of vassals: Bosnia, Serbia, Wallachia
I am very consistent in treatment of whiners. TS had tons of harsh treatment from me with the very same narrative. I got a feeling that people tend to forget that it is a strategy game which core is playing to strength. I got literally bored today by playing Venice. It's so OP. But it doesn't make me spam "nerf Venice" or "nerf Austria", which was completely steamrolled. I reduced it to two province minor by 1510 and got bored to death.
In my Venice game Muscovy was terrible (lost Perm, didn't conquer Novgorod until 1520) but it hardly has to do anything with LA tweaks.
It is a great argument because it is strategy game which should be played to the strength. Russia was formed by Muscovy, there was not a slight chance that it could have been otherwise. There are tons of countries which are very OP (Sweden, Prussia, France, Austria, PLC, early Ottomans) and all of them could be handled by Serbia or the Mamelukes or Georgia or Ryuku. What's the point of complaining? Having a challenge is a good thing because it's merely a brain exerciese. Did they try to eat into HRE? That's the maddening boredom.
Isn't it interesting to be in the shoes of Napoleon who invaded Russia? He was better than average strategist and he fucked up. It was very easy to defeat Muscovy in 1.7 with every Western tech nation (especially Sweden or Prussia) or with PLC cav bonus, reformed Timurids did a great job as well. Novgorod was challenging but absolutely doable (it's shamefully easy in 1.8). I did GH without reforming and Crimea reformed not westernised. That makes me interested in what game these guys are playing and for what particular reason?
To feel good about easily defeating Russia as Genoa (or Byzantium or whatever) in the first thirty years? France didn't succeed ultimately in its IRL WC attempt but EU4 gamers find it "hard" to defeat Muscovy and prefer to whine about it.
Playing on the east is really easy because as Korea or Ming one can take exploration and meet Muscovy half way through Siberia.
You either complain or get good in the game. That's that.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time that country unifications have a shaky balance from history. We can talk about Scandinavia, Arabia, Persia formed by hordes, Mughals formed by Uzbeks, sunni Hindoustan with a hindu flag,... all day long now can we?
Perhaps can we assume that Ruthenia is an expanded concept of the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian commonwealth proposal just as Scandinavia is the expanded concept of a successful Kalmar Union (sort of).
Or Perhaps we can just state that it's fun for some people to have different kinds of unification possibilities in a given region, and that it can do no harm to let people have fun in a video game.
(or perhaps it can :unsure: )
Yeah.
Btw, I believe cultural unions should have a discount on culture converting provinces they fully accept. In case of Russia that makes perfect sense. Surely healing people of their mental wounds caused by prolonged foreign occupation is much easier than replacing total foreginers with your faithful servants. It makes me sad thinking how bringing Kiev back to Russian world costs the same as, say, establishing yourself in Paris.
Just surrender and it won't hurt at all
I really hope Oprichnina will allow me to get to it one day without having to deal with ugly torn [cultural] borders
