Unless they get completely destroyed, that's how Muscovy starts. At the beginning they're a bit slow but once they integrate all the vassals, get Novgorod, some colonies and some horde land only France, the Ottomans and an united HRE can keep up.
Muscovy have been majorly nerfed
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ITT: Russians of Tartar and Asian origin. lol. Stay tuned!
Just for the record, government can grant citizenship left and right and then label all the citizens by a same word, and some ethnical Russians might even succumb to this idea of being 'equal' with all sorts of incomers, but a mouse born in stables will never become a horse.
Just for the record, government can grant citizenship left and right and then label all the citizens by a same word, and some ethnical Russians might even succumb to this idea of being 'equal' with all sorts of incomers, but a mouse born in stables will never become a horse.
When you posted previously that bit about culture conversions I thought you were joking. I thought you were a cool guy based on your presentations of EU4 Russian campaigns with Milan and Bohemia, I guess I was wrong
Why you ignore the very next two sentences? De jure Crimean Khanate was protectorate of Ottomans. De facto they pursued their own foreign policy and treated as ally.
Regarding paying (ever increasing) tribute to Crimea the author references following source:
"Kaznu v Krym prodolzhat' prisylat' s pribyl'iu", Rossiiskaia Akademiia Nauk. Arkhiv, F. 1714, op.1, Novosel'skii, A. A., no. 66, 1.144
Regarding Astrakhan expedition:
"On their way home up to 70% of the remained soldiers and workers froze to death in the steppes or became victims of Circassian attacks. The Ottoman fleet was destroyed by a storm.
The Ottoman empire, though militarily defeated, insisted on safe passage for Muslim pilgrims and traders from Central Asia as well as the destruction of the Russian's fort on the Terek river."
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1568–70)
Looks like attrition claimed most of the casualties. The fact that Muscovy gave concessions despite winning a battle reinforces that.
Your tone sounds very neutral and well researched, indeed.
They were allies, true. But that doesn't imply that Muscovy wasn't paying tribute. Also once GH perished they broke that alliance.
"The treaty was concluded on 3 July (O.S.) / 13 July 1700[3] in Constantinople.[4] The Tsardom of Russia and the Ottoman Empire agreed on a truce set to expire in thirty years.[4] The sultan recognized Russia's possession of the Azov area,[2] including Asov and the newly built fortresses of Taganrog,[3] Pavlovsk[citation needed], and Mius[6] Russia dropped her claims to the Kerch Strait,[2] but was relieved from paying the annual tribute to the Crimean Khanate[7] paid since the occupation of Muscovy by the Golden Horde.[3]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Constantinople_(1700))
The Great Game also happened outside of EU4's time period. I can agree with massively disadvantaged hordes/chinese/etc during the Victorian era simply because the technological advances of the Industrial Revolution left the rest of the world behind. However, this is not Victoria, this is EU, and during the EU era, Europe was in the ascendancy but it did not have hegemonic power over the rest of the world.
I do find those to be a problem. There is just little reason to talk about it because, unlike Russia and the Hordes, there is a solid, 100% consensus on that issue.
So the book you mentioned has a serious inaccuracy? I'm not supposed to sound well-researched, I am not a historian. Significance and regularity of tribute is a question and requisites for it as well. I don't have access to the source. Could you provide a detailed text please?
You are making a guess on "Looks like attrition claimed most of the casualties." There was a sortie by Russian garrison, a cavalry charge and an infantry charge near the fortress. It is said that 70% of "remaining" forces died due to attrition and Circassian (Russian allies ) attacks.
I see nothing wrong in safe passage of pilgrims. Information on Terek is not very accurate. It was requested by Crimea and Ottomans, however it was demolished later after Ivan became more concerned about potential fighting on two fronts (in Livonia and the South). The fort was of Kabardian nature, who were supported by Russians.
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Yes it did terrible error not giving exact name of a treaty. Maybe it have something to do with
And you don't. You sound like one easily amused guy on this forum, but with bigger attitude.
Why don't you find that by yourself? I'm afraid that my untrained mind will not find anything satisfying to such accomplished non-historian as you.
Lol one Russia thread is done every day.
OP has to learn the game, Muscowy isn´t a country for newbies but it doesn´t need ANY buffs.
OP has to learn the game, Muscowy isn´t a country for newbies but it doesn´t need ANY buffs.
Muscovy played by AI is too weak - that's for sure, but for player it's not that hard. I've allied with Denmark\Sweden on day one and used them to bash my enemies in Europe while expanding eastwards and my Russia is all the way to Canton. Focus on conquest not colonization
Don't feel upset. You did a good run except for first "piece" of evidence. I do read history books from time to time and that qualifies as easy reading at best. Utterly rubbish as a source of knowledge honestly, no references, no numbers, no-thing.
See no problem in that. Is that inconclusive decision? Ok.
Finding rivals that last longer that one war is a hassle late game :/Your 28 PP makes me cry. Is that your definition of conquest?
Your 28 PP makes me cry. Is that your definition of conquest?
It's a wonder he has any. I find the game telling me I have no valid rivals in the late game often, and without rivals you can't get PP.
Jokes aside, it's bugged as hell - during my WC run I was able to keep Ottos as rivals even after I cut them to about their starting size and they still were considered legit despite my 2000+ BT. Usually rivals drop off being several times bigger than that. Sadly, PP caps at 100, otherwise I'd hit some 300 rating. lol
That's about 69 years after Ottos ceased to exist.
Hah, maybe that's fixed this patch then. I'll find out if this hotfix works for me.
In my current game as Crimea Muscovy formed Russia and conquered most of northern asia and Sibir. Unofrtunately I'm on their south border now eating them up. But until I got involved, the AI performed pretty well. So they CAN survive.
Simple, cede the Finnish/Tartar/Siberian/Ukrainian/Caucasian/Chinese/Japanese land to their respective countries, keep only the 1, and the government will never be bothered by the grant citizenship problems again...
This must be the most controversial post I have seen for a while.
