Murder - Ratios in CK3

[Trunting]

I'm willing to forgive nearly anything regarding historical inaccuracies in CK3, but one thing from CK2, that needs to be fixed, is the unrealistically high murder ratio.

In CK2, there is at least one murder plot per generation, which is truly immersion-breaking.

Pkz Paradox, reduce the rate of murder plots.

 

[vandevere]

I'm willing to forgive nearly anything regarding historical inaccuracies in CK3, but one thing from CK2, that needs to be fixed, is the unrealistically high murder ratio.

In CK2, there is at least one murder plot per generation, which is truly immersion-breaking.

Pkz Paradox, reduce the rate of murder plots.

And at least allow Rulers to punish the Known Murderers. Please don't force us to sit on our hands when a Known Murderer kills all our sons...

 

[the_nomad]

The murder rate during the medieval period was truly horrific, it made the murder rates of places like Detroit at its worst seam like a safe and peaceful paradise in comparison.

Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340's showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people

 

[Andrzej I]

The murder rate during the medieval period was truly horrific, it made the murder rates of places like Detroit at its worst seam like a safe and peaceful paradise in comparison.

But how many of those were nobles plotting the assassination of other nobles? Regardless, yes, it definitely did occur at rates far higher than today, but CK2 definitely skewed it a little too much towards the AI being murder happy... mostly because murder plots were some of the only valid plots for them to take, and the AI wanted a plot active (at least this is the explanation I've heard before!). Hopefully with CK3's addition of other schemes, murder plots shouldn't be as prevalent as in CK2.

 

[Denkt]

Seleucid and Roman Empire had quite a few murders and such but if that is an indication of how prevalent it was in medieval World is Another thing. The issues is that murders would likely be concealed so it would be hard to tell if someone was murdered or not.

 

[Leivve]

Murder was a political tool, like it is presented in the game. Even if we don't know who was behind it, history is filled with lords and nobles suddenly dropping dead from poison or suspiciously well trained bandits on the king's road. Only thing they really need to do is have the AI capable of understanding their plot isn't going anywhere and to make a new plot that will hopefully be more productive. Rather then spending their whole lives at 10% with 0 supporters.

 

[Trunting]

Murder was a political tool, like it is presented in the game. Even if we don't know who was behind it, history is filled with lords and nobles suddenly dropping dead from poison or suspiciously well trained bandits on the king's road. Only thing they really need to do is have the AI capable of understanding their plot isn't going anywhere and to make a new plot that will hopefully be more productive. Rather then spending their whole lives at 10% with 0 supporters.

But if you have a look at the actual numbers, those are, at least in some realms, rare cases, because the culture of the nobility had developed other mechanism of conflictual behavior.

 

[Leivve]

But if you have a look at the actual numbers, those are, at least in some realms, rare cases, because the culture of the nobility had developed other mechanism of conflictual behavior.

History only remember the plots that fired, not the ones that went nowhere.

 

[Denkt]

But if you have a look at the actual numbers, those are, at least in some realms, rare cases, because the culture of the nobility had developed other mechanism of conflictual behavior.

The thing is we don't really know how many people that was actually murdered. Like some of William the Conqueror's relatives died in things like hunting accidents which very well could have been murders. Philip the second of Macedonia was murdered but if it was a Conspiracy or not is not known.

The murders we do know of tended to be the least sophisticated once, not CK style plots.

 

[Trunting]

The thing is we don't really know how many people that was actually murdered. Like some of William the Conqueror's relatives died in things like hunting accidents which very well could have been murders. Philip the second of Macedonia was murdered but if it was a Conspiracy or not is not known.

The murders we do know of tended to be the least sophisticated once, not CK style plots.

But one can have a look at how many people werent murdered. Show me all the murders you find in the nobility of western europe in the 867-1453 time period/the nobles who werent murdered

 

[Arko]

But if you have a look at the actual numbers, those are, at least in some realms, rare cases, because the culture of the nobility had developed other mechanism of conflictual behavior.

ok so what are historical numbers and what CK2's to start with ?

 

[Ezumiyr]

The murder rate during the medieval period was truly horrific, it made the murder rates of places like Detroit at its worst seam like a safe and peaceful paradise in comparison.

Irrelevant given that in CK we're dealing with a very specific demographic.
Also, you're quoting a specialist in medieval art, who was regarded as having a controversial methodology to say the least. I wouldn't trust the numbers he gives. A lot of his claims about the sociology of the middle ages are now considered obsolete.


Which doesn't mean that he's necessarily wrong, but as I said it's both irrelevant and relatively untrustworthy.

 

[Ollum]

I'm willing to forgive nearly anything regarding historical inaccuracies in CK3, but one thing from CK2, that needs to be fixed, is the unrealistically high murder ratio.

In CK2, there is at least one murder plot per generation, which is truly immersion-breaking.

Pkz Paradox, reduce the rate of murder plots.

No, current murder ratio is good. Too many murders aren't good, but too small also aren't good. Game with small number of murders will be boring. I only support the ability of righteous imprisonment of known murderers.