Mughalistan viable?

[DrunkenOne]

Played as pretty much everyone else, so decided to go with Punjab and go for Mughalistan. Got up to 1868 and had almost all of northwest India. Problem is, to maintain the army needed to block off the UK while taking the minors, I can't invest in education. Not that it really matters, since i get .04 research points with full ed anyways. Well, like I said, going good. Problem is, UK is so far ahead in army techs that I need at least 2-1 odds just to defend. And obviously its just going to get worse.

Anyways, I cheated a bit, gave myself 5 money cheats, got like 10 more divisions, and just rushed for the 2 remaining provinces I needed. Got it, event fired, annex all the minors, get techs, become civ, become sat of prussia/germany, cool. I start industrializing a bit and recovering my budget, except about 2 months after the event fired, UK decs me. We have no peace treaty since I am now a new country. Germany had meanwhile united and helped me in war by doing absolutely nothing. So I retreat all divisions I had left up north near my capital, formed a 4 province defensive line. Like 99999 rebellions all over occupied india distracted UK, and I was able to break out, retake all of western india, and get a white peace at -50 warscore for me.

So far so good, keep industrailizing until... 5 years later, UK decs me again. Germany declines to help. So now I am a sat, can't make alliances, horrible BB anyways (70+ from annexing minors), facing a dec every 5 years from the #2 great power who has infiltrators already when I am just getting muzzle loading rifles. To top it off, unciv China just decced me as well. I invade china, get 1 province into them, and Russia decs me.

Should the event to create mughalistan reduce BB by a huge amount or something? Cause its impossible apparently to keep playing after unifying.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Sounds like you have a bad case of the cores.

As has been observed with the CSA previously, a country with cores on a weaker nation will almost always try to reclaim their cores every five years unless told otherwise in the AI file.

OHGamer will probably elaborate on this.

 

[Dysken]

Strike UK early and strike Hard. That will decrease the tech gap.

 

[unmerged(46065)]

Erm...I dont believe England has cores on India, its just high BB I think...

Yeah...I don't think the event was given much thought apparently...They must not have thought people would actually try it

That makes me not want to try to form Mughalistan....I had wanted to before but it sounds pretty difficult.

 

[DrunkenOne]

Strike UK early and strike Hard. That will decrease the tech gap.

How do you suggest this? Outside of the Crimean war, they have 0 scripted major wars anywhere near the early period of the game. Sure they beat up on China but that gives them 0 exhaustion. Punjab, the strongest minor, starts with like 5-6 divisions. Keeping them funded with everyone at 100% taxes and max tarrifs still gives a loss, so you cant buy shit off the market to make more troops. You can "strike early and hard", but you will be able to grab max 4-5 provinces from the UK since they will have no war exhaustion and ~30% warscore due to the minor cap you are occupying. And the longer the war goes on, the worse it gets for you, since you will face increasing numbers of UK troops.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Erm...I dont believe England has cores on India, its just high BB I think...

Yeah...I don't think the event was given much thought apparently...They must not have thought people would actually try it

That makes me not want to try to form Mughalistan....I had wanted to before but it sounds pretty difficult.

But since Britain doesn´t border Mughalistan, it cannot be BB wars. Most likely, the AI is programmed to defend and recapture India like it´s going out of style. I´ll take a closer look when I get home.

 

[nibel]

a country with cores on a weaker nation will almost always try to reclaim their cores every five years unless told otherwise in the AI file.

Not necessery on weaker nation only. I have a game that I grab soem core from Argentina, and they dow me every 5 years even though I am superior than her in everything.... even when I having a pupet that more powerful than her.... even when I ally with Russia and UK (Russia ally with Prussia, so there is 4 GP agains this poor nation). I don't want to have more land anymore so I just ask more money as the price that I need to sattion my army against her vevery five years

 

[unmerged(75837)]

Just wanted to know; Is there any way to form Mughalistan in an easy manner without cheats? I've done anything from making Montenegro a GP to making Greece a GP but Punjab just seems ridiccously hard.. You get dowed after a few years by U.K and you army pretty much sucks....

Have anyone written a guide about this or anything?

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

I think I have found the culprit. The AI is set to combat Mughalistan with a factor of 90 throughout the game (that´s as much as Scotland). I suggest going into the save game, search for "mug = 90" and then put a hash (#) in front of it. Alternatively, change the factor to zero.

 

[Kagernaut]

Whoa wait, how do you FORM it in the first place?

What are the requirements?

 

[unmerged(52021)]

You have to control Indias most important cities.


The event is horribly thought out though, espeically if your using revolutions. You see the event doesnt bother to give you any new cultures, so as Punjab you'd still just have Punjabi and would rule a hundread million pops that you cant interact with. You can always edit the event to give you more cultures of course, but it was still annoying.

Oh yeah and the worse bit wa sa follow up event that is called somehting like "India modernises with French help" and you become a French sattelite....without the option of syaing yes or no or avoiding it in anyway. It was pretty shit. I deemed that an event worth deleting.

 

[unmerged(75837)]

The worst thing is however to form it, as it is nearly impossible to survive all the wars with england and still be strong enough to annex the indian minors..

 

[unmerged(81390)]

Whoa wait, how do you FORM it in the first place?

What are the requirements?

#########################################################################
#  Proclamation of Mughal State
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 8800
	random = no
	country = TRA
	
	trigger = {
		prestige = 100
		control = { province = 1945 } # Hyderabad
		control = { province = 1929 } # Nagpur
		control = { province = 1919 } # Bhopal
		control = { province = 1920 } # Gwailor
		control = { province = 1483 } # Jodhpur
		control = { province = 1897 } # Baroda
	}

	name = "EVT_8800_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_8800_DESC"
	style = 0
	
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1836 }
	offset = 17
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }
	
	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME8800A" # Create National State!
		command = { type = country which = MUG }
		command = { type = prestige value = 100 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 1001 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 1101 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 1201 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 1301 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 1401 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 2001 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 2101 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 2201 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 2301 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 2401 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 3001 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 3101 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 3201 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 3301 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 3401 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 4001 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 4101 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 4201 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 4301 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 4401 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 5001 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 5101 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 5201 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 5301 }
		command = { type = gain_tech which = 5401 }
		command = { type = setflag which = flg_MUG value = 1 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#  Mughalistan has been Proclaimed
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 8801
	random = no
	country = TRA
	
	trigger = {
		exists = MUG
		flag = { name = flg_MUG value = 1 }
	}

	name = "EVT_8801_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_8800_DESC"
	style = 0
	
	date = { day = 2 month = january year = 1836 }
	offset = 17
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }
	
	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME8801A" # Join (Game Over)
		command = { type = surrender which = MUG }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "DECLINE" # Decline
		command = { type = prestige value = -100 }
	}
}

The triggers work for every indian minor

 

[iain_a_wilson]

Regarding being satellited (is that a word?) why not set your taxes to 100% and have a revolution? This will swtich your government to a new type and break your satellite status.

 

[Darks63]

Because 10 years of rebel wack-a-mole to undo a crappy event sucks.

 

[DrunkenOne]

Regarding being satellited (is that a word?) why not set your taxes to 100% and have a revolution? This will swtich your government to a new type and break your satellite status.

Or you can just dec your new Prussian/German/French master, who will maybe send a few divisions before being driven off. The satting is not a problem, you get tons of nice tech and prestige in the event. Its really just impossible to get all of the required cities. If the required cities were perhaps changed to more northwestern ones, it could allowing you to proclaim mughalistan, and get cores on the southeastern, UK/big UK sats, which you could then fight for.

 

[unmerged(75837)]

I know.. Is there anyone here that have managed to do it without cheats and could explain how it's done ?

 

[unmerged(63310)]

I know.. Is there anyone here that have managed to do it without cheats and could explain how it's done ?

There is one guy who did it without cheats and explained how it was done... it's probably back about 2 or 3 pages.

 

[unmerged(75837)]

AAR or here?

 

[Eärendil]

Here (not an AAR). Perhaps someone can dig it up?