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Well I downloaded and installed IGC 2.3 and I must say , good job everybody.I now have a whole bunch of questions if anyone would care to indulge me.

firstly , I started a game as the Mughal empire , which seemed fun , and I have no contact with europe.Do I have to wait for a gunboat to show up or am I going to get any conquistadors/explorers - whats the story ?I want maps and CoT's and alliances and I want them now!

lonely in the subcontinent,
Fromtia
 

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Well, I haven't played it so I don't know if you're programmed to get any, but there's always random ones (explorers and conquistadors that is). And you can try boosting relations and trying to trade maps with other countries near the edge of your existing maps.

Portugal tends to get to India in the mid-1500s (usually before the Dutch revolts) if nothing else... as long as you have maps for Goa province you should be good on that score (they seem to prefer to set up there).

Another 'if nothing else' option... go to war with Persia and seize Isfahan. You don't need to keep it, just capture it during a war. Then you get copies of their maps and that will at least get you the Turks... then you can butter them up, trade maps to them, and that should get you at least part of Europe.
 

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OK , excellent that sounds like a plan.I dont know about the conquistadors , but if theres definatley random ones that is something to look forward to.How random , I wonder....

Next Question.When I meet the Portugese and the rest of the Eurotash should I expect relations to be -200 as a standard ? Or can I hope for something more...freindly?
 

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Again, on the relations - don't know as I haven't played em.

There ARE random conquistadors and explorers. If you really need one and don't mind cheating, try 'event 17', 'event 26', 'event 58' and 'event 59'. I don't know if the Mughals are programmed to get any historical ones, but that won't prevent random ones. (I recently got 2 random explorers in 12 years, as a historically landlocked country, after capturing a port very early in the game.) Be careful colonizing though, I think your colonies can be captured under the ToT. (This danger goes away when you build a fortress in the province.)

The explorers/conquistadors are pretty random. Some games I get over half a dozen, sometimes none. You don't seem to get either unless you have a port, though. (I think the Mughals have one in IGC.)
 

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I siezed Ishafan.The campaign was pretty badly executed on my part but I did end up with maps of Europe.Yup everybody was at -200.Oh well.I've been sucking up to the Turks and the Uzbeks.
 

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Sounds interesting playing as the mughal empire, let us know how it goes. I wouldn't be to quick to want to get into a European alliance though as you'd keep getting dragged into wars on the other side of the world. But goodluck, it sounds like good fun.
 

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I've already played the Mughals, so here are some tips:

- You don't get any historical conquistadores or explorers, so pray for random ones or pump your money in land research until you can explore with all armies. Sea exploration can wait.

- You have a couple or really good monarchs along the line, so make sure you squeeze them to the last drop of good leadership your country can get. From the mid XVIIth century till the end, your monarchs are pretty crappy.

- Your national provinces are a little tricky. I mean, the native provinces that surround your starting provinces are national provinces, so when a country starts colonizing them, you get CBs.
I normally waited for them to fully expand the colony to a city, and then captured it.

- When you're able, go for Persia, and later for the Mamluks, as you have a free CB because they're Shi'ite. Take advantage of the few, but rather good, generals you get.

- Try to have your trade and infraestructure techs as high as possible, because you'll get a helluva lot of money from them, as you should own plenty of Spices and Chinaware provinces.

- Diplomacy: Stick to the muslims, as they're the ones that bother you. Other countries are just too expensive to turn them friendlier to you.
Mysore and Hiderabad can be easily diploanexed early on (at least I managed to do so). Later on, it gets harder to diploanex, as your monarchs diplo values tend to be rather low. Pray for a "Good Minister" event, as you have some years to try your luck on diploanexing.

- Colonization: As soon as you get a port, bump as much money as you can into sea techs, in order to be able to build a shipyard. Then, start colonizing like crazy the rich provinces that surround you.

Well, I can't remember anything more at the moment.
Bye, The Larch.
 

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Excellent strategies from the Larch , thankyou.Actually a couple of conquistadors did show up as a random event so I have started exploring into 'indo china' and the east coast of Africa.

Diplomatically I have been working on the Turks and the Uzbeks in the hope of surrounding the Persians.I really haven't bothered with those pesky christians in Europe.

I have begun a few colonies and trading posts in surrounding provinces.Does the seaport improve the chances of success in this regard? I have been investing in naval technology because I was thinking I was going to need it to defend myself when the euros show up off my pleasure beaches.
 

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Don't bother about the europeans attacking you, It'll be more probably the other way round :D Anyway, it won't be difficult to win wars against them, as they won't be able to recruit the monster armies you can foster in India, and it's not very likely than they'll send their leaders there, and conquistadores aren't usually great generals (taking away Clive, that is. He's the only one I've encountered in my game).
The difficult part will come at negociating peace, as it'll be difficult to make them hand you the provinces you want. In my game, I didn't start attacking them until they colonized quite a few provinces. There's no sense in attacking a country with two colonies and a TP in India, as it's almost impossible to make them give you one of the colonies (it happened to me with Portugal).

Bye, The Larch.
 
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I've also played the Mughals.
I annexed Myosore and Hyderrabad in the first years by force. Then I disbanded most of my solders to save the money and waited for an explorer/conquistador to come along.
The BB drops during this time, so I was "clean" when I got into contact with Uzbekistan (You'll see only their capital).

I didn't invest in stability (used my monarch's ability). Everything went into trade and a bit into land/infra. After a short period of time I had a monopoly in Delhi.

Usually I embargoed every nation in the first 100 years. Everybody who gets into contact with you has knowledge about Delhi - your Cot. Unlike the european Cot it's very costly to send a trader to your home CoT.

Wars with Persia: They are strong and usually you have to go through the corridor. This makes it hard to conquer their provinces because you'll have to fight them instead of walking around them. So I attacked them only when they were occupied in the west. They have a limited manpower wich makes them weak once their armies are fighting the turks. It's getting easier once you have a province in Persia with access to more than just 1 other persian province.

Later I invested in naval to get the shipyard. This helps a lot when your colonoal dynamism fades away.

No european power in Inia except for Ceylon (france) and east india (england). I had cities in every indian province. :D

The bad thing about playing any muslim country: You won't get a new Cot. Instead every christian nation gets one once they are near to your provinces. Then they steal your trade, which is a bit funny because I had trade level 10 compared to level 5 (england, france) who got a Cot in their indian provinces.

Yes, peace negotians are tough until you have acces to their other undefended cities around the indian ocean.
 

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Well everythings going well thanks to all these excellent tips.Economy is in decent shape , nibbling away at Persia , colonising some of the Indian provinces.

The problem I am having is negotiating peace with the English.They have four colonies in India , one of which (Madras) is actually a city.Even if I sieze all of these provinces , the English wont agree to giving up even one in a peace settlement.Whats the story? Am I going to have to sail to England and burn London to the ground?
 
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You don't get a star for walking into a colony. It's useless to take colonies until you want to get them in a treaty. So far you've acquired only 1 star for peace negotiations (by taking the city).

Yes, you'll have to take more cities to dictate them your terms of peace since getting another star for winning a lot of battles is very unlikely.
You can take other undefended cities. There should be some small english cities in North America and/or Australia. It's very easy if you take several cities at once and make an immediate peace offer to deny them the opportunity to regain them.
Well, you`ll need at least a small navy for that,...,and luck to bypass their ships,..., and maps.

You can, of course, wait. Maybe they will offer you 1 province after a long time even if you have still only 1 star. But if you stay at that point this is the maximum you can get.
 

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It'll be impossible to take all the English territories in India without invading them elsewhere... but in the given situation... you could wait till more than one of them are cities, and then use the points from taking two or three to keep one. You could whittle them down to one or two this way - and get cities to boot.
 

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Ah ha! Yes that all sounds like a winner.I shall wait until the English have upgraded their colonies to cities then whittle away at them.

I think I am going to pass on the invasion of N.America strategy.I don't think it's practical at the point I am at.

Persia incidentally is falling to pieces.I am allied with Turkey and Uzbekistan and I attack Persia whenever Turkey DoWs them.If they leave it too long I do it myself and ask my allies for help.I've nabbed loads of their provinces with comparitive ease.
 
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But you`ll face the same problems with the last english city.
Try to get St.Helena as a port for adventures in northern america. All you need is 1 successful colonist. You don't need a city there, just a port to prevent loosing too many ships to attrition.
A positive side effect is that noone can get a star against you by taking St.Helena
(I took St.Helena because it was empty and halfway to northern america)
It's a good base for taking provinces in West Africa and Southern America, too.
 

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Originally posted by The Larch

Mysore and Hiderabad can be easily diploanexed early on (at least I managed to do so). Later on, it gets harder to diploanex, as your monarchs diplo values tend to be rather low. Pray for a "Good Minister" event, as you have some years to try your luck on diploanexing.


How did you do this?, In the IGC Muguals are Muslim and Mysore and Hyberbad are pagan, no RM, therefore no Vassalisation, therefore no diplo annex?