MR Pact

[sebas379]

Yeah I did, but taking out AI France in '39 is just not difficult enough to let them live to die another day. In WW1 Mod however, I consider it a valid strategy to conduct some kind of Anti-Schlieffen-Plan.

But in a WW1 situation, that probably is the best tactic, since there is no pact in the first place and so long as you leave belgium alone there's only a small front to hold against France. to top it off, the Russian army is very underequipped during WW1, I haven't played the mod in a while but I guess that's represented.
In WW2, France IMO is just not strong enough to leave them sitting, you can really use their resources and IC to your advantage in the long run.

 

[ltccone]

I invaded the USSR in April '40, and I'm crushing them even though I only have 15 panzer divisions. It is easy; much less difficult than invading in '41.

My marines landed in an undefended Leningrad, mountain divisions landed in the Baltic States securing them (and trapping about 25 divisions), 30 divisions are trapped on the Hungarian border, and 20 divisions are being pushed into the marshes and destroyed.

I guessing Moscow by July.

 

[Juan Peron 2]

I'm my latest game I'm attacking the USSR in 1940, but I took care of France and the Low Countries in '39. I've never even thought of taking on the Soviets first.

The advantage is that you can beat SOV before the US enters the war, and at the same time you can keep Italy out of the war so that you don't have to worry about the soft-underbelly.

 

[Juan Peron 2]

Russia in world war 1 mod is very easy to beat because half of their army is jutting out into the Polish salient and it is easy to cut off and destroy.

But in a WW1 situation, that probably is the best tactic, since there is no pact in the first place and so long as you leave belgium alone there's only a small front to hold against France. to top it off, the Russian army is very underequipped during WW1, I haven't played the mod in a while but I guess that's represented.
In WW2, France IMO is just not strong enough to leave them sitting, you can really use their resources and IC to your advantage in the long run.

 

[ltccone]

The advantage is that you can beat SOV before the US enters the war, and at the same time you can keep Italy out of the war so that you don't have to worry about the soft-underbelly.

Italy is not yet in the war as of April '40. Maybe I can defeat the USSR before she joins the war.

 

[Pro_Consul]

Russia in world war 1 mod is very easy to beat because half of their army is jutting out into the Polish salient and it is easy to cut off and destroy.

This is the same reason why can it actually be easier in the vanilla game to honor the pact, so that you can begin the process of destroying the Red Army more or less in place while your supply lines are very, very short.

 

[Juan Peron 2]

I think that is true if you are controlling your own troops... in that case the goal is to encircle and destroy the soviet army. I play mostly AI in which case you win by constant pressue/forcing them to retreat until you take leningrad and moscow in which case you want the shorter distance

This is the same reason why can it actually be easier in the vanilla game to honor the pact, so that you can begin the process of destroying the Red Army more or less in place while your supply lines are very, very short.

 

[Pro_Consul]

I think that is true if you are controlling your own troops... in that case the goal is to encircle and destroy the soviet army. I play mostly AI in which case you win by constant pressue/forcing them to retreat until you take leningrad and moscow in which case you want the shorter distance

That is a good point, and I should have mentioned it originally. My bad, and thanks for pointing it out. Indeed the whole encircle->destroy->profit method requires manual control to have any chance of success. For AI delegation, other approaches are required, e.g. weighted blows or front-wide overruns. And for those, the advantages of starting with front lines nearer to your capital are less pronounced or even absent.

 

[ltccone]

That is a good point, and I should have mentioned it originally. My bad, and thanks for pointing it out. Indeed the whole encircle->destroy->profit method requires manual control to have any chance of success. For AI delegation, other approaches are required, e.g. weighted blows or front-wide overruns. And for those, the advantages of starting with front lines nearer to your capital are less pronounced or even absent.

I always move every unit myself.

 

[ltccone]

I invaded the USSR in April '40, and I'm crushing them even though I only have 15 panzer divisions. It is easy; much less difficult than invading in '41.

My marines landed in an undefended Leningrad, mountain divisions landed in the Baltic States securing them (and trapping about 25 divisions), 30 divisions are trapped on the Hungarian border, and 20 divisions are being pushed into the marshes and destroyed.

I guessing Moscow by July.

Well, I was wrong. Moscow fell to Guderian's 2. SS-Panzer-Division 'Das Reich' at 06:00 hours on June 7th. Have a ways to go to get the USSR to surrender though; surrender progress is 86.70%.

 

[unmerged(187858)]

In my current game I never took the M-R pact, having decided on a defensive strat. against them. Having a great time watching the reds beat themselves senseless against my chain of level 7-8 forts across Romania, Poland, Latvia and Estonia. They didn't DOW me until march 42 and its now December 43

 

[ltccone]

In my current game I never took the M-R pact, having decided on a defensive strat. against them. Having a great time watching the reds beat themselves senseless against my chain of level 7-8 forts across Romania, Poland, Latvia and Estonia. They didn't DOW me until march 42 and its now December 43

Level 7-8 forts? What a massive IC expenditure..

 

[unmerged(187858)]

Having built all I needed for my "master plan", I have plenty to spare. I'm now working on my navy to keep the US at bay. It's July 44 now and the reds are looking very weak indeed with manpower just over 150 and almost nothing in their build queue, I may just go on the attack, wish my luck

 

[ltccone]

Having built all I needed for my "master plan", I have plenty to spare. I'm now working on my navy to keep the US at bay. It's July 44 now and the reds are looking very weak indeed with manpower just over 150 and almost nothing in their build queue, I may just go on the attack, wish my luck

Good luck, but with the USSR having only 150 mp, I doubt you will need it...

 

[ltccone]

Invading the USSR, and defeating in 1940 opens up a can of worms. The Bessarabia event fired after the USSR surrendered. And now Finland, who got their territory back from Drang Nach Osten while not in the Axis, joins the Axis after the surrender. Historically Finland was not an Axis member, and certainly would not have joined with Germany if the USSR was no threat.

 

[Opanashc]

Historically Finland was not an Axis member, and certainly would not have joined with Germany if the USSR was no threat.

Finland would have joined anyone to conquer Karelia from USSR, even before Winter War. They were part of the Axis just like US was part of the Allies in WW1 (even though Woodrow Wilson claimed US was only and associated country).

 

[ltccone]

Finland would have joined anyone to conquer Karelia from USSR, even before Winter War. They were part of the Axis just like US was part of the Allies in WW1 (even though Woodrow Wilson claimed US was only and associated country).

The Finns had already gotten the land back they lost from the Winter War, BEFORE they joined the Axis, because of Drang Nach Osten. Karelia was not a problem.

Finland signed the Anti-Comintern Pact, but refused to sign the Tripartite Pact.