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The Danes were slowly being overwhelmed, and then the Dutch and French attacked the Danish possessions on the continent. France took Sjealland, forcing the Danish fleet out to its destuction. We had bottled them up in the early stages of the war, and they came out to face 75 French and 44 Swedish warships.

Denmark was essentially forced to make peace with France and ceded Bremen to the Netherlands. Sweden mopped up the last Norwegian province, and made generous peace offers for only 3 provinces. Denamrk initially refused, but stab problems led them to see the light. After the war Sweden and Denmark reached an agreement to sell the last 2 northerly Norwegian provinces for 300 ducats.

The end result of this Polish perfidy was the dismantling of Denmark, to the gain of Sweden. Poland persuaded Denmark to open the war and then left the poor "ally" to its fate when matters got rough.
 
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Sweden was embarrassed not to be of any help to its Russian ally during the war, but with the capture of Norway, and the destuction of the Danish fleet, we take this opportunity to remind the Poles that, no longer having to worry about being stabbed in the back in every conflict, we are now able to provide meaningful support and coordination to Russia.
The result of Russia's refusal to initially join, meant a slight rearrangement of alliance, and now Austria, Russia, and Sweden are allied, with Austria as the alliance head. We welcome Austria to NEETO.

On an ominous end note, the worthless Poles have now backstabbed the innocent Brandenburgers, who have been embroiled in a meaningless, endless war with Venice for years, and have just invaded Brandenburg. Sweden would look upon the taking of any more than one province, Kustrin, from Brandenburg with an extremely jaundiced eye, as I am sure my allies will also.I hope that Poland, coming to its senses, announces its intentions, and agrees to limit its theft, as the taking of any other provinces will destabilize the region yet again

TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Peasant First Class (I have been demoted a lot)

(I have also just now figured out that you can type longer messages-sorry about that)
 

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Treaty of Calais 1607

In order to secure borders in the New World, as well as the old, France and Spain agree to the following treaty:

France is allowed to acquire (via colonization): El Paso, Pecos, Concho, Wichita, Oklahoma and Llano Estacado.

Spain will acquire: Chihuahua and Coahuilha.

This will establish the border at the Rio Grande river.

In exchange for this, France will sign a 5 year non-agression pact, and give to Spain a monetary settlement in the amount of 150 ducats.

Signed,
Regent Kleves, Minister of Foreign Affairs, on Behalf of the King of France

Felipe III King of Spain
 
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Proceeding the times of WW1, the Austria went bankrupt. She had overstepped her boundaries in holding in the originial War, too long. A war she felt was worth fighting for and righteous... She was left weakened and stabbed by Bavaria/Hessen/Venice! Leaving a meager Country with little hope of recovery..

Then came a time of peace, and no prosperity, but the Austrian Goverment Focused on Research, expanding trade, exploring.. Of which the West has not be forthright in aiding. Save England's allowances of passage<perhaps accidentally> through all of her Eastern seaboard Colonies.

A unrighteous war was started by the CCCP where Russia was close to collapse. The recently Elected Roman Empire, didn't want to lose any more of his country and get involved though to see another Great Nation trambled would be a hypocritical position with all the Austrian Bitterness since. We took loans we couldn't afford, we built a huge army and with our Great Monarch Karl we entered into previously owned Austrian territory in Poland. Including Presbourg and Bavaria. The Poles had to pull back from the Russian front due to poor planning and found that even with a good leader and large army the Austrians were determined. Caught in a two way trap, two great Polish armies were dismembered like lambs at the slaughter and if not for the intervention of the OE. The entire Polish Country would have been disembowed. One thing the Austrian Army had learnt was humility, they knew better than to focus anymore attention on Poland. She was not all to blame.. The Western Powers obiously haven't lived up to any of their promises of Gold for this Righteous War that bankrupted Austria TWICE! Can you believe this? In the name of Christendom they'd rather squabble over Colonies and the OE set terms to protect their Polish Allies as well. :( That's how War goes... You win and you lose...

Luckily though we had our Ally Hungary dismantled, we absorbed Maygar and with a turn of some good events managed to lower inflation under the 100% mark. Trade is poor and there is some hope though that perhaps in the future we shall rise again. Let this be a lesson to the Poles and their CCCP that we shall not stand for anymore Central nor Eastern European Expansionism by them. This is a warning to the Poles, that in the future perhaps their OE relations may disintergrate and she will be facing a higher tech and more well lead Military... That decimated nearly 50-75 thousand of it's soldiers in 2 months!

Bitterness to lack of support from the West will not be forgotton either!!! We have fought for your Faith and longterm stability as well... Russia/Sweden/Austria stand alone on semi-loose soil...holding the threads of deeper darker Europe together as best they can! The OE has offered more financial compensation for Conquored lands then the former Western Alliances who'll nolonger be trusted in Eastern/Central European conflicts. Perhaps a Mutual Agreement of NO PASSAGE by the NEETO CCCP Pact of Mutual Aggression, but not outside aggression! Poor Denmark, has learned her lesson on who and who not to trust... We open willing arms, being the Emperor and Pact Leader, to countries willing to embrace Freedom and Fairness in our time of the Lord 1607 on
 

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poland & the pursuit of parity

To the nations herein assembled:

I, the Marquis T.P. Kookoozski, have been asked by his Majesty, the King of Poland, to report the Polish sense of events to the court of nations. T.P. Corksky will no longer represent the Polish interests, as the King has had him thrown into the darkest dungeon with strict instructions that he be allowed not a crumb of cake. As he is quite old, he will not likely last long, I'm afraid.

Things began well for Poland this season. She had retaken most of the lands lost to the Russians during their wars of retribution for the French-led alliance with the French and the Northern Alliance on Austria. We understood the Russian reasons for not wanting Austria reduced well -- it was not in the interests of the Tsar to have Poland not have a serious contender at his back, for that wld make it harder to destroy Poland when the opportunity came. The Tsar may have felt that it was not "nice" to dismantle Austria; we've noticed that His Majesty had no such reservations when it comes to some Central Asian nations. However, what they did was entirely honorable, and I do not mean to show fault with them. They did as any honorable competitor would do. Their alliance with Sweden puts fear in the hearts of the Poles. This, I'm sure, is what they wish. And, I must say, the Tsar behaved most rationally when he attempted to avoid the second war with Poland when he refused to honor that alliance. It was not entirely in his interests to see a large Sweden develop either. But there was nothing dishonorable about this. The Tsar did rightly, just as he did rightly by reentering the NEETO alliance. He protected his interests as he saw them, and the Danes do not hold it against him that he followed what he thought was the best course of action for his country. And neither do the Poles. The Poles will not complain if they eventually lose to the Tsar, for the Tsar is an honorable opponent.
He does not spend much of his time hiding behind sham excuses. He simply does what he sees fit. As I once said to someone who pointed out that the Gauls lost to Ceasar that this proved that the French were weaklings, unable to fight for themselves, "There is no shame in losing to Ceasar, name me someone who didn't."

But, that said, this most recent season had started well for the Poles. The threat of Austria had been removed. Our lands in Lithuania had mostly been reclaimed. We were under the delusion that a semblance of balance had been established in the West with the invention of the Channel Coalition, a device, it must be said was mostly the doing of T.P. Corksky. I know, from personal correspondence with him prior to his imprisonment, sadly, he is not even allowed letters in his new home, that he had misgivings about the idea. He said, "I think I will be hoisted by my own petard." But he was a gambling man, and so he paid his monies and made his choice. There was the belief that the long wars of old would be replaced with a considerable period of peace in that region and, so it was, though not promised for quite as long as Poland would have hoped.

Spain, in the course of our history, has proven to be a worthy and canny opponent. He saw in the French/Ottoman and Polish effort a threat to his interests. Austria, of course, was a natural ally and presented a better balance against France, which, for the simple reason that she is stronger than Spain, but poorer, would likely want to rob her. The Spanish King acted in his own best interests in doing his best to support Austria. The Poles do not blame the Spanish King for doing so. The Poles are glad to have a worthy opponent. The Spanish King has made some comments about the "cruelty" of what was done to Austria, but no one outside of T.P. Corksky even made mention of the utter destruction of the nations of Chimu, Azteca, Zapoteca, Inca and Maya. I suppose that it is the sense of the Court of Nations that some nations, for reasons not well understood, must be allowed to survive, and others not, except, of course, when it's inconvenient or doesn't suit their interests.

With this device, the Channel Coalition, T.P. Corksky believed that he had set in motion balancing effects in the West. He was also of the belief that he had secured security in case of another war against the Tsar. He had entered into an alliance, the Treaty of Krakow, the second ill-fated treaty to be so called. (Indeed, they now make targets for darts w/ images of his head in that fair city.) By this device he believed that he had secured long-term friendship with the French Monarch and the Sultan. The text of the treaty will soon be posted below, although it is not certain if it is still in effect. But, to paraphrase, it guaranteed financial, political & policing support in case of war. There was no stipulation for whether or not it be aggressive or defensive. In order to secure peace between our nations, military access treaties were signed between all three. <Sidenote: i'm curious about this kleves, i think you still have access ... so did you not take the stab hit for the DoW. if so, is that a bug we shld report?> Furthermore, in private discussions the Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Sultan explained the Polish designs on Russia to his French counterpart. That done, T.P. Corksky believed he had secured Poland's rear and could focus on the East.

But a new and serious threat had developed on Poland's borders, this time coming from the North. Denmark, it was noted, was totally at her mercy and had already been shorn of one of her most valuable provinces. However, it was not in the interests of the colonizing powers to see another important sea power develop, as that would present a potential threat to them. So the enterprising T.P. Corksky went to some of the nations so affected -- not Russia of course -- and asked them if they would finance Danish war against Sweden. There were a variety of replies, but T.P. Corksky was satisfied, as was his Danish counterpart who was doing some negotiating of his own, some aid was secured at least -- and that the Danes would be restored to their previous heights. In the meantime, the Danes would enter into an alliance with the Poles, so as to provide the Swedes with a warning about the consequences of aggression. At the time the session began, the Swedes were asking the Danes to join their alliance. But the Danes did not think this was in their interest, and perhaps smarting for their earlier loss, did not take kindly to the idea of becoming an protectorate of the very state that inflicted it. We saw this once before, in fact, with the Austrian refusal to join the Polish Alliance. Thoroughly understandable of course. Both decisions, it turned out, were not in their short-term interests, but who can say what the future will bring? But the Danish decision was in part decided, I think, by the chance to reclaim what once was theirs. That was certainly an honorable intention of theirs. The Swedish intention to become strong at someone's expense, anyway, was certainly honorable. So, in the end, the Danes decided to try their luck and joined into a formal alliance with Poland, to be named the Cake and Cookie Coalition Pact, or CCCP, so named for their favorite confectionary treats.

T.P. Corksky, I'm afraid, has a number of flaws, but the fatal one was impatience. When there was a discussion among the war party, he suggested the earliest possible time. The others thought that we should wait for the century to close first. There were obvious reasons for this, plus certain magicks had produced the prediction that the Tsar would be in considerable difficulties for some time following the start of the early 17th century. But T.P. Corksky was keen to go ahead quickly, for the arrangements he had set in place would not likely last forever. Then exciting news was passed to the then Minister, the French Minister of Foreign Affairs had sent by diplomatic pouch the news that now was a good time to attack Russia, for she hadn't a single army within 10k miles of my border. We informed the war party of the news and the next year the Ottomans joined the Polish alliance for a strike on the Tsar.

On 6 April 1585 Denmark declared war on Sweden, on the 9th Poland joined in, they were followed by the Ottoman's on the 10th. In an attempt to forestall war, on the 10th the Tsar declined to come to the aid of her ally. But the pursuit of Polish parity was not to be denied and soon afterwards Poland declared war on Russia joined by her faithful allies Denmark and the Ottoman Empire.

The war initially went well. The Polish armies quickly covered much Russian land. Led by some generals of note, they managed to get to Moscow. There were some valiant attempts at counter-attack, and once the seige was forced to lift, but province after province fell to the Polish onslaught and eventually even Moscow itself was taken. The first notion that something was not right came when Denmark asked for help. He said that Sweden kept on building armies. How could this be? Sweden surely had run out of manpower long ago. Later investigation showed that the Spaniards and the French had supplied considerable financial support to Sweden. The most surprising thing was that most of it came from Spain -- why wld a resurgent Denmark hurt Spain's interests. But, we were otherwise occupied and felt sure that Poland would be able to come to their Danish aid soon, for our warscore was 99%, and we were ready to ask for peace soon. Since they would have been separate peaces, the Swedes could be dealt with at our leisure. Surely, they too would be forced to come to terms.

Then everything came apart. On 30 July 1586, Spain declared war on the Ottoman Empire. Poland and Denmark soon afterwards joined the Sultan's cause. The Channel Coalition threatened a DoW if the war did not end right away. I offered peace to the Russians -- four provinces to Poland and three to the Ottoman Empire (not including Astrakhan) -- which they did not accept and took the corresponding hit to stability.

Right after the offer was rejected, on 4 October 1586, the Channel Coalition declared war on the CCCP. This was bad. T.P. Corksky offered new terms -- three provinces to Poland and three provinces to the Ottoman Empire (not including Astrakhan, although the Sultan was desirous of this province) -- the Tsar said he would accept, the official offer was proferred, and the Tsar refused for the very good reason that the Channel Coalition had told him not to, to hold out, they were sending aid.

The Polish continued offering terms in the hope that the stability concerns the Russians would face would make them reconsider. But our stout foe calmly took our best as my troops hurried back to Poland to defend it from the coalition. As enemy troops poured into Danish territories in northern Germany and English began their seige of Danzig on 21 December 1586, the Austrian Monarch decided to take this opportunity to get some of his own back, and declared war on Poland as well, which brought him into conflict with the OE, too, which was strange, for someone must have promised to the Holy Roman Emperor that the Channel Coalition would stay in this fight long enough for him to secure his winnings. On 12 January 1587, Russia entered into formal alliance with the Holy Roman Emperor at its head.

It appears from his statement that someone at least promised him financial aid. It is a matter of much curiousity to the historians in Warsaw as to who, exactly, such a promise came from. But there is more story to tell ... the Polish armies rushed back for confrontation with the Channel Coalition. Seeing that there was no chance for parity to be established at this time, the CCCP and Russia signed a white peace on 29 December 1587.

But the Channel Coalition were not ready for peace and Polish armies were decimated ... one by one. As the Austrians proudly point out, they were responsible for the complete annihilation of one. Sadly, all the Polish armies had been spent and Poland had truly been beaten. It must have been the height of frustration for the Holy Roman Emperor when a white peace was signed with Poland by the Channel Coalition at about the time a large Ottoman army appeared beside a small French one seiging Polish land.

True ignominy in the Polish view, entice a small defenseless nation to attack a much more powerful coalition that it had made peaceful arrangements with ... and then, after it looks like there's gonna be a real fight, make peace leaving the small country to its fate? No thought for the small country to give it some time to make peace first? Luckily -- well, one supposes that depends on how you see it -- for the Holy Roman Emperor, the Sultan was feeling magnanimous and did not instantly annex him for his treachery. Perhaps the Austrians will find an opportunity to relieve themselves from his protectorate-ship in the future.

A little while later, on 27 February 1592, Poland signed a white peace with Sweden. There was little that the Poles could do, but at least the Poles waited for Denmark to agree to peace first. Perhaps the Danish Monarch blames the Pole for his fate, I do not know, but at least I lost every army in my arsenal before accepting defeat.

But the Foreign Ministry of Poland has made careful note that this has happened more than once in this court of nations, whatever blather they might wish to make about balance, fairness, and the like. Perhaps the Monarchs of Denmark and Austria now understand the thinking behind the Polish pursuit for parity with Russia or Sweden without the help of any coalition.

Seeing that there was little room for maneuvre, T.P. Corksky spent much time recovering his powers. The economy was in rather bad shape after the war, but it is doing alright. 20 years or so of peace followed. Nothing much happened during that time. In a way, the balance of power had been established. At least Poland was unable to do anything of note. Sweden and Russia were limited by the threat of the Ottomans and so Poland was safe, for then. But it is not a very stable balance of power, this one. This is because the present balance is constantly being tipped by the fact of relentless Russian expansion. And Polish pursuit of parity must not be abandoned.

With that in mind, in 1606 we decided to turn West and declared war on Brandenberg. It was not the most fetching choice, but it was something that might add to our coffers. Since Brandenberg's size is a direct result of Polish efforts, whose vassalage was broken because of the new energy of the minister installed there, whose province of Memel was annexed to it by a desperate Polish attempt to keep Brandenberg alive, whose gains stopped the minute Brandenberg was abandoned by an energetic minister for fairer lands, whose helpfulness was removed by the end of the Northern Alliance, a move not authorized by us, a move that would not have happened had their of been an energetic minister in Brandenberg, The Polish Foreign Ministry is of the view that it belongs to Poland.

A final note: the Polish King has taken a disliking to the comments about his perfidity. The record is plain. Poland has honored her agreements to the one. If Poland made a promise of no attack, no attack was made. If Poland promised to declare war on behalf of an ally, Poland did so in all but one instance -- and that instance was when an ally stole his alliance right from under his nose. He did not choose to honor the DoW with his old alliance, which kept him in compliance with the understanding he had with his other alliance. I think we can all sympathize with the Polish decision not to turn around and DoW the old ally. Perhaps the letter of the law was broken, but not the spirit of it. He would add that this was done on behalf of an ally who had already left him twisting in the wind twice before, but this is precisely why Poland seeks parity. Weaker partners often have to accept the whims of stronger partners if they wish to survive. That is why it is essential to find trustworthy allies.

Poland refuses to sympathize with monarchs that have lost their kingdoms by rashly exposing themselves to danger. I will empathize completely, but sympathize no. I will also refuse to cry crocodile tears as some new "state that can't fail" fails & then do nothing about it, or even worse, hasten his downfall all the while crying, what can I do? If they are weak, as am I, seek a good strong ally or many of them. If you are "meant" to be strong, remember that you ought to secure some protection for your growth in the future. If you are "meant" to fail, as I am, seek to thwart your fate. (In the future, people negotiating with me should probably remember what saying I'm doing better than "historically" implies.) And having done that, should you still fail, then you've done just fine, even the best laid plans sometimes come to naught.

However, I must admit that the coming session is going to be the session I look forward to most. For I have a feeling all this fancy talk of "fair fights" and "historicity" and "balance" and "honor" are going to be severely tested & that I'm going to have an incredible time just being the most nasty sardonic SOB you've ever heard commenting upon it. And if I'm wrong, then this game will become awfully boring. :)

Yours faithfully,
For the King of Poland,
The Marquis Kookoozski, Minister Extraordinary & Plenipotentiary
 
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The Treaty of Krakow, 1577

The Treaty of Krakow, 1577

In honor of the former capital of Poland, whose esteem and
prestige has only grown with the passage of time, the
undersigned met in Krakow in the year of Our Lord, 1577, to
affirm the following:

In case of war the undersigned do agree to:

a) Provide to the warring signatory financial aid
b) Provide to the warring signatory political support
c) Provide to the warring signatory policing support

In order to facilitate policing actions the undersigned do
hereby agree to enter into military access agreements at the
earliest possible opportunity.

The Marquis T.P. Corksky, Minister Extraordinary & Plenipotentiary,
for His Majesty, the King of Poland
Regent Kleves, French Minister of Foreign Affairs
on behalf of His Majesty, the King of France
The Sultan of the Ottoman Empire
 

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The King of France hereby withdraws from the Treaty of Krakow.

Recent diplomatic talks with Poland have shown them to place the blame for their defeat soley on France. Furthurmore, they seem to believe that France orchestrated a large conspiracy to destroy Poland. We ask what facts they have, and they present none. That is because they have none. France honored her allies' wishes and are to be condemned for it? Should Poland be allowed to warmonger unannounced on the pay of France?

Peace was restored in the east, which was the only goal of the Channel Coalition.

Yours,
Regent Kleves, Minister of Foreign Affairs, on Behalf of the King of France
 
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Hmm, curiouser and curiouser.

I do take exception with one comment made by the PERFIDIOUS Polish minister:D . In one passage, the minister seems to imply that the energetic minister for Brandenburg left for Sweden("fairer lands"). He has perhaps been misinformed by the previous disgraced minister that he has now replaced. The only energetic minister for Brandenburg was Dagrem. When i subbed for Dagrem I had Brandenburg headed straight into the crapper. A comparison of results follows to illustrate my point.

As Brandenburg, my accomplishments were as follows:

1. Lost Kurland to Satan's Sweden
2. Took out so many loans that there was almost no possibility of avoiding bankruptcy
3. Got into an offensive war with Hessen, wherein the Hessians and Hannoverians were kicking my rear, and loss of territory seemed certain.
4. Was ordered by my Polish overlord, against my desires, to start the first great Austrian war by being the declarer of war on Austria.
5. Took Prussia, only to be ordered by my Polish overlord that I was not to annex it as that did not suit him and as I did not clear it with him beforehand

Dagrem's accomplishments as Brandenburg:

1.Vassalized his nation to Poland, presumably for survival
2. At some point unknown to me, unvassalized his country before he retired
3. Obtained Memel and Kurland
4. Conquered and annexed Saxony
5. Apparently avoided the imminent bankruptcy that I had set up, how I have no idea
6. Avoided losing any territory to Hessen.
7. Obtained at least two Bohemian provinces
8. Left a large and independent Brandenburg on the world stage

I think therefore I have proven beyond doubt that the only competent, energetic minister for Brandenburg retired from history altogether, and that an entirely different minister is the one who moved from Brandenburg to Sweden.

I would also point out that at the time of the move, that Poland had been complaining bitterly about the series of human vassals, and clearly did not appear to want one , while Russia desperately wanted a human Sweden, and Satan desired to travel from Sweden to the Netherlands, so it was thought best when Mrlifford offered me a regular positon in the Wednesday game, to take Sweden.

TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Peasant First Class
 

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Well, that was an interesting interpretation of events...

Edit - I started writing this when the Austrian AAR was the last post.

The Netherlands never promised any financial assistance to Austria as we have generally been too busy trying to get our economy going (it is going reasonably well now, but it is still a bit fragile). Why should the west pitch in to pay off 2000D worth of loans that Austria raised?

We promised diplomatic support, which we have given, but we never encouraged Austria to enter World War 2, and our assumption was that it did it purely because Austria saw an opportunity to retrieve some of its provinces from Poland while she was otherwise distracted fighting the Channel Coalition and NEETO.

Netherlands, 1577-1607

Left this too long, and the aging Dutch monarch's recollection of events is starting to fade, but we shall try our best.

The session did not start well, as the French king white peaced with Kleves just before we were about to annex them. We are still not sure whether this was deliberate or accidental, but we will take the French at their word for now. This effectively removed us from the war, and we were left to cheer from the sidelines. At this point we had 2 ships and an 11,000 man army, oh for the glory days of Holland!

We chugged along for a while, with our economy taking numerous ups and downs as various small AI nations embargoes us (The Portugese, the Venetians, the Genovese etc) for a while, then let us trade again.

Then came World War 2. That has been recounted many times from other perspectives, but the Dutch (and to a lesser extent her allies in the Channel Coalition) could not stand by and see Russia dismantled by multiple enemies. Russia had already had an onerous peace forced upon her in the previous eastern war, seeing Poland and the Ottoman Empire each take another sizeable chunk was too much.

We started with diplomacy, speaking on behalf of the Channel Coalition we expressed our extreme displeasure, and asked for both sides to come to reasonable terms. Quickly we ratcheted up the pressure, but it became clear that CCCP has no intention of settling reasonably and were just stalling for time until they could force Russia to accept a ridiculous peace. So off to war we went, figuring we would have to conduct diplomacy at the end of a musket barrel.

Our only regret is that Denmark had to suffer for the actions of her allies. The only route for the Dutch army (and later the French) was through Danish territory. Quickly Denmark's german posessions fell and within several months Dutch troops were fighting Poles in Pommerania while the French besieged Copenhagen (not sure why, but I guess it was a tempting target) and the British were sieging Danzig. At this point the CCCP were a little more receptive, and Russia escaped with a white peace. Reparations were light, with the Netherlands receiving Bremen as compensation for the massive stability loss she suffered to declare war (Dutch stability costs being very high at the time). At first the Danes stubbornly refused, driving their country into instability and costing themselves their fleet as it was flushed from Copenhagen's harbour, but eventually they became reasonable, unfortunately by that time they had put themselves in a very big hole against the Swedes and they didn't seem to be receiving much help from their allies.

At the end of the session the Netherlands managed to aquire Kutch, and are occupying Ganges, but our military had some serious reversals against Bengal who crushed 30,000 brave Dutch soldiers at the battle of Patna. Finally our economy is starting to right itself, and we are squarely in the middle as far as income is concerned.
 

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This was indeed a time of great trouble for mother Russia. Early on the Tsar noticed a huge buildup of Polish/OE troops on our border but could not build our armies to fighting strength in time, most of our troops where fighting in the east already. When the DoW arrived to Sweden it was decided that Russia could not deal with the troops amassed on her border and indeed it lookes like Russia was the true target of the DoW on Sweden. Russia temporarly removed itself from NEETO hoping that this bit of cleverness would stall the war in the east, it did not and a DoW from Poland arrived in days.

A hasty peace was made with Nogia and troops drafted in the NE corner of Russia and assembled in the corridor as Polish and OE troops overran the borders. This war would teach both sides lessens, it taught Poland to fear the greatest of all russian leaders, General Winter, and it harsely taught the russians the superioty of the musket to the arquibus. The war was going poorly for russia though over 100k where drafted in a short time it was still difficut to beat the Poles and the Ottomen without at least 2-1 odds, my allies the Swedes where tied up in the north and indeed it looked as if though all was lost for Mother Russia...

Until the West decided to intervien. There had been much talk about trying to find a diplomatic solution, but that was all for not and Spain entered the war to save Russia. Not long after the Channel Coalition and Austria also entered on the side of Spain and NEETO. With this new hope the Russian Tsar refused several peace deals and the serfs rankled but order was maintained as OE and Polish troops redepoyed to meet the Europeans. Due to the amazing prowess of the Channel Coaltion, Austia, and Spain Russia was saved from being dismembered by the Turk and Poland.

I am saddened that Demark was made to pay the full price of the war since many Russians belive that Denmark was simply a Polish and Ottoman pawn in all this, but the Tsar is pleased to find our faithfull ally the Swedes stronger than every. The Tsar would also like to thank those who came to our aid in these dark time, Spain, France, England, Austria, and a very fiesty Netherlands who we heard was pushing to enter on our side from the very begining. Russia thanks you all from the bottom of our hearts.

Troubles continued to plague Russia though. The war sent the economy in shambles, and the only thing that could be down was to enserf the peasents to prevent inflation from growing wildly out of control. The land was beset by divding forces and do to the whims of fate very unstable (lots of -stab events at this time). Russia was also plagued by crafty bankers that forced us into loans at the slighest provocation and indeed forced us to take a loan to pay a loan (Big autoloan problems for me this session). And of course the Time of Trouble, a Swedish king was chosen to lead Russia in the 17th century but many russians resent this forein king, but there voices are going ever more silent.

Mike D.
 

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RE: The AARs of the Dutch and Poles in particular...

There were not hard feelings towards the Dutch, as the Emperor knew that they had no more than Austria. HOWEVER, to discover Spain has been financing Sweden in our Alliance and not Austria after dire "requests," is truly disheartening in the faith of the other World Power. We do hope that Russia recieved compensation as before DOW on Poland we requested Western Aide from the Powers that had the Ducats to blow... :(

As far as our situation in Central Europe, it was impossible to go for an all out conflict! There was a short term window for opportunity in seizing old Austrian Lands<RIGHTFULLY with our Shields> Plus our armies couldn't remained funded enough to expand without Western Aide into Bavaria greater Poland...or sue for better peace :( Return of Capitol Bordering provinces!!! Perhaps we will have to turn to the rather Aggressive Poles with a deal in 15 years when the leaders balance out our disagreements ;)
 
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I hear that Poland believes that Brandenburg" belongs "to it. Be warned, Sweden does not so believe, and again asks for assurances that only the province of Kustrin will be taken. More wholesale annexations or attempts at complete destruction of Brandenburg by the erratic Polish Crown will not be overlooked.

Sweden trusts that the Polish Crown will think carefully about its actions and not cause another general war for the sake of crushing as independent Brandenburg that has neither the culture nor the religion of these warmongering madmen.Poland does not own Protestant central Germany, and an announced land grab for Brandenburg's 7or so rich provinces should concern all in the region. Consultations among the members of NEETO and the Channel Coalition will need to follow this Polish announcement of aggressive intent to again go state destroying.

Poland weeps for its "weakness" but is constantly declaring offensive wars on its neighbors. I would also seek the kind intervention of the Sultan, to see if the Sublime Porte has any influence with the madmen of Masovia to mediate this danger to the peace of eastern Europe.

TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Defender of Brandenburg
 

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Originally posted by satan
Well, that was an interesting interpretation of events...

Netherlands, 1577-1607

The session did not start well, as the French king white peaced with Kleves just before we were about to annex them. We are still not sure whether this was deliberate or accidental, but we will take the French at their word for now. This effectively removed us from the war, and we were left to cheer from the sidelines. At this point we had 2 ships and an 11,000 man army, oh for the glory days of Holland!


Fearing the Netherlands would be overrun by Kleves, we accepted white peace with Kleves, not noticing the Dutch seige, only that Kleves' troops that had invaded the Netherlands.

France feels much shame for this sad event, which was 100% accidental. We did compensate the Netherlands for this horrible oversight.
 

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The Netherlands seconds the Swedish monarch's comments. Wholesale annexation of German nations will not be tolerated. We frown on offensive wars to begin with, but can live with a one province annexation. More that that and....
 

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Re: Sweden

Originally posted by TAF
As Brandenburg, my accomplishments were as follows:

1. Lost Kurland to Satan's Sweden
2. Took out so many loans that there was almost no possibility of avoiding bankruptcy
3. Got into an offensive war with Hessen, wherein the Hessians and Hannoverians were kicking my rear, and loss of territory seemed certain.
4. Was ordered by my Polish overlord, against my desires, to start the first great Austrian war by being the declarer of war on Austria.
5. Took Prussia, only to be ordered by my Polish overlord that I was not to annex it as that did not suit him and as I did not clear it with him beforehand
TAF, you can be forgiven for this interpretation for you were not there. Dagrem did not vassalize himself, Dagrem was inserted into an already vassalized Brandenberg, which I had beaten at great cost to myself. In terms of war on Austria, you made no complaints at the time. In terms of war on Prussia, typically, you ask members of your alliance if you can annex their vassals. Yes, it is true that you were not the most successful Brandenbergian leader, but you were certainly better than an AI leader, as long as you were not my vassal.

In terms of complaining bitterly, and this reallly rankles, I did not complain about having a human Brandenberg after I had made arrangements with it. I complained about Manitou being left in the cold by the absence of a human Sweden after he had made arrangements on the basis of that human Sweden alliance. I certainly did [not want as a solution to that the removal of a traditionally friendly human Brandenberg and putting him into SWEDEN! I complained about making arrangements on the basis of AI vs Human leader distributions to have them removed or installed. :mad:

But, whatever, the Marquis T.P. Kookoozski refuses at this time to disclose Polish plans regarding Brandenberg.
 

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It is a despicable thought to see an unchecked Poland merging with Brandenburg. As head of an alliance to prevent such aggression in the area such a partition would have to be done with the consent of Sweden/Austria and Netherlands<as this is close to her sphere of influence>

We may find it acceptable to allow that Madgeburg be ceded to Poland, as Bohemia is ceded to Austria. Along with the garauntee of an Independant Brandenburg. Although direct violation of this political pressure may be ignored, it may ignite another unwanted War... Though Pact Leader and weaker of the Major Nations. Poland must know it's boundaries in the East and establish it's economy, trade and diplomacy. These are the 1600s we are nolonger in Middle Ages!!! Open your arms to the New World Order and have Prosperity!!! Or close your borders and aide in another senseless war...we're tired of Wars too Poland

Sincerely Emperor Drew! Head of Neeto
 
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It's official. Poland admits that the Swedish minister is_ slightly _better than the AI. I weep with joy and pride.

On another note, a "refusal to state plans" regarding Brandenburg is nothing more than a rejection of our request, and is so understood. The consequences are Poland's choice. it is utterly foolish to expect that your neighbors will sit passively by while you try and gobble a large, rich, and unaligned power being Protestant as well.

You have already had the comments of the Netherlands of the CC hoping for reason. Apparently only the intervention of the Ottoman Empire may help you see reason. i therefore ask the Sublime Porte to weigh in with its position and opinion. Hopefully, the wisdom of the Porte,combined with the condemnation of all of Europe will yet sway the Madmen of Masovia, the Wackos of Warsaw.

TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
 

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A quick history of major wars:

1st Austrian War
Major players: Poland, Austria
Victor: Austria
Defeated: Poland
Impact: Poland's best ally, Bradenburg, crushed. Poland easily defeated by Austria, and forced to pay compensation.

2nd Austrian War
Major players: France, Ottoman Empire, Poland, Austria
Victors: France, Ottoman Empire, Poland
Defeated: Austria
Impact: Austria defeated, forced to cede a large amount of territory to the Coalition.

World War One
Major players: France, Poland, Ottoman Empire, Netherlands, (Coalition), Spain, England, Sweden, Russia, Portugal, Denmark, Austria (Axis)
Victors: West: Spain, England. Central: Ottoman Empire, Poland, France. East: Sweden, Russia.
Defeated: West: France. Central: Austria. East: Poland.
Impact: Huge impact. Austria destroyed completly. France defeated in the west, Wars of Religion turned the tide for Spain.. Poland losses huge amount of Lithuania to Russia.

Great Eastern War
Major players: Sweden, Denmark, Russia, Ottoman Empire, Poland
Victor: Sweden, Poland, Ottoman Empire
Defeated: Denmark, Russia
Impact: Sweden, backed by France, defeats the Anglo-Spanish backed Denmark. Denmark losses important territory to Sweden. tensions rise in the west. Russia, though, is easily defeated by the combined forces of Poland and the Ottoman Empire. Poland regains Lithuania from Russia.

2nd Franco-Spanish War
Major players: France, Spain, England
Victors: None.
Defeated: None.
Impact: Treaty of London signed, establishing balance of power and peace in the west.

World War Two
Major players: Russia, Sweden, France, Netherlands, England, Spain, Austria (Allied powers), Ottoman Empire, Poland, Denmark (central powers)
Victors: France, England, Russia, Sweden, Netherlands,Spain
Defeated: Poland, Ottoman Empire, Denmark
Impact: Huge gamble by Poland, who attempts to destroy Russia. West intervenes, handing Poland a crushing defeat. Ottoman Empire beseiged by Spain. Denmark beaten by Netherlands, France, Sweden. Balance of power established in the east.
 
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Also the Netherlands didn't exist in World War 1. At the time the future Dutch chancelor was serving a swedish monarch. Otherise that was a pretty interesting and useful post though Kleves :)