Ah, I think perhaps Drew is hitting on the answer. The game will not be decided out of reason, or skill, but out of boredom. 
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Your Betrayal of me in the Divisions of Hessen when I expected my new Western Ally to back me against those Pesky Swedes was not called for! I was destroyed entirely all offensive and defensive capabilities when Sweden intervened. This was bad blood, you convinced me to join your treaty. Now my Political actions were part of your downfall! How can I swear fealty to a King that Betrays my people for no bloody reason! You could've taken the Dutch down in Nappy Era by yourself and acquired the VPs you needed... You got nothing worthwhile, and if you ask Satan I'm certian he doesn't blame me findilizing. Nothing more can be Taken From Austria However we can persecute this War till the very end if you wish.. Boredom? Hehe, part of it all. You don't think Wars were started of such things??? Who are you to judge the Great History Proffessors, wars have been started over Less!
However we can persecute this War till the very end if you wish.. Boredom? Hehe, part of it all. You don't think Wars were started of such things??? Who are you to judge the Great History Proffessors, wars have been started over Less!ah, c'mon kleves, enough of this weak stuff. you still have a good chance to take the game & we all know it, so stop playing the dismayed "how cd you besmirch your honor" game. now it's a question of skill, very much so, skill in battle ... you ought to enjoy that, even though the odds are near even.Originally posted by KlevesWarrior
Ah, I think perhaps Drew is hitting on the answer. The game will not be decided out of reason, or skill, but out of boredom.
And One last thing: Kleves: If you would remeber in the First World War you gave no Warning and before hand got a freebie deal<now I forgot about that> I gave you 2 of your cores in South of France for next to nothing and you warned me of DOW if I did not! You ate my Netherlands just as soon as you could as I remeber! Definitely a MAIN player in the demise of a True Austrian Royal Throne! I would expect as much from the Heathen Ottomans but Francais, non... Perhaps changing Austrian Royal Ceil of Trust. Finally you DOWed me and expelled me from Italy and claimed it as your own no sort of Diplomatic Moves in any of those Situations aside from the first! Burn me once, your fault and twice my bad. The Third Time however small a contribution you have contributed more greatly to the demise of Austria than anyone other than their bloodborn Enemies in Turkey... So a little Royal Platter is handed back to you, We may have Lost but so have you
This is the perfect EXAMPLE of True European Ambitions!
Gold, Glory and all Women
Blood feeds Blood. Blood calls Blood. Blood is, and Blood was, and Blood shall ever be. Now the Great Lord comes.
no sort of Diplomatic Moves in any of those Situations aside from the first! Burn me once, your fault and twice my bad. The Third Time however small a contribution you have contributed more greatly to the demise of Austria than anyone other than their bloodborn Enemies in Turkey... So a little Royal Platter is handed back to you, We may have Lost but so have you This is the perfect EXAMPLE of True European Ambitions!
Gold, Glory and all Women
Blood feeds Blood. Blood calls Blood. Blood is, and Blood was, and Blood shall ever be. Now the Great Lord comes.
Originally posted by tpc
ah, c'mon kleves, enough of this weak stuff. you still have a good chance to take the game & we all know it, so stop playing the dismayed "how cd you besmirch your honor" game. now it's a question of skill, very much so, skill in battle ... you ought to enjoy that, even though the odds are near even.
Near even?
England and Spain have: 6x my economy. More troops, and more manpower. And that's not factoring in the other 5 player nations at war against me.
Against Spain and England the odds were in their favor, the only way I could evercome it was through careful planning, and execution. It took me years to save up the funds and recruit the troops. It was my one supreme effort against enormous odds and opposition.
And then the east arbitrarily enters the war out of boredom, and "glory" (not much glory in a gang-bang
).France was jumped in real life because it threatened others. I did not. All I want in the same chance Spain has had the whole game, as they've declared war on me 6 times. In fact, I went out of my way and secured neutrality from almost all of you.
The rest of the game was so good. We didnt fight mindless wars for "fun".
/rant mode off
re: gangbangs
hrm ... well, kleves, methinks thou dost protest too much. i'm reaching way back in my memory for just a few examples ... oh ... yes:
let's see, was the french/polish/oe war against austria a gangbang, unworthy of you?
how about the french/english/dutch war against spain?
how about the french/spanish/english war against the dutch?
you've made plenty of enemies in this game, kleves, no doubt ... shd they decide to take you down, you certainly shdn't be surprised ... but to protest the fairness of their acts?! come come, kleves, that's beneath you (for you've done a great job so far due to the very same tactics being employed against you now!)
to say that we are not at risk is silliness ... we know you are after victory points ... after spain, where did you intend to get them?
& don't forget ... we fought every war for fun! the reason all of us are playing the game is for fun & that is the only reason any of us are playing at all!
hrm ... well, kleves, methinks thou dost protest too much. i'm reaching way back in my memory for just a few examples ... oh ... yes:
let's see, was the french/polish/oe war against austria a gangbang, unworthy of you?
how about the french/english/dutch war against spain?
how about the french/spanish/english war against the dutch?
you've made plenty of enemies in this game, kleves, no doubt ... shd they decide to take you down, you certainly shdn't be surprised ... but to protest the fairness of their acts?! come come, kleves, that's beneath you (for you've done a great job so far due to the very same tactics being employed against you now!)
to say that we are not at risk is silliness ... we know you are after victory points ... after spain, where did you intend to get them?
& don't forget ... we fought every war for fun! the reason all of us are playing the game is for fun & that is the only reason any of us are playing at all!
Re: re: gangbangs
1. Fair war, he had Spain and England.
2. Spain had Sweden, Russia, Poland, Austria and the Ottoman Empire
3. Yes, that war was unfair.
Yes, I probably am protesting too much.
It's just that this war might very well determine the game, and by jumping in, they are basically giving the game to Spain, for no reason that I can see.
1. Fair war, he had Spain and England.
2. Spain had Sweden, Russia, Poland, Austria and the Ottoman Empire
3. Yes, that war was unfair.
Yes, I probably am protesting too much.
It's just that this war might very well determine the game, and by jumping in, they are basically giving the game to Spain, for no reason that I can see.
some screenies
well, some folks might be wondering what all the fuss is about, so here's an account, from poland's perspective, of what went down:
sadly, the game ended prematurely due to my ISP going down, for which i extend my apologies ... hopefully we'll finish this sucker off soon.
the session started off quite peacefully, although we all knew that a storm was brewing. the calm was broken by a dutch/austrian DOW on hessen (ai), which brought prussia (ai/alliance leader) and sweden (human) into the fray against them. hessen was a five or six province nation at the time, so, naturally, this was regarded as quite the provocation. after a battle or two b/tw the swedes (LT 50's, inflation 100%+) & austria (LT 20's, inflation 100%+) sweden thought he had secured a peace b/tw all the parties & accepted a white peace w/ austria. however, it was not the case, leaving austria at war w/ sweden's AI allies & sweden in a fight w/ the dutch (LT 50's -- huge economy/limited inflation), which was not likely to end in success. the poles were worried about this incursion on their neighbors & gave the swedes more than 1000$ to stem the tide, but there was little for it as the swedes cdn't get armies into northern germany quickly enough to make much difference -- dutch fleets held the baltic sea -- & a peace was finally settled on w/ austria taking erz & the dutch taking two or three provinces from hessen.
but this was just a sideshow, really, the real action started when england & spain DOW'd the dutch once again & the french, switching alliances once again, joined in on the side of the dutch. little seemed to be happening in the north -- although there may well have been action overseas -- but a french army numbering hundreds of thousands was sent to spain. at first, it seemed as if the spanish had managed to fight off the french behemoth which caused considerable wonder in the rest of the world.
The French Invasion
The French Repulsed
the english, believing there was an opportunity to nip the french threat in the bud, sent duke wellington at the head of an army to spain, to try & put down the french threat once & for all. but, apparently due to general lag, it was not to be & the entire spanish defense force as well as the english excursion ... an army of upwards 300,000 souls ... perished at the hands of napoleon & his men.
Wellington is Dead
the resulting spanish cry for help was heard throughout the rest of the world w/ some concern; it seemed as if he thought there was no point in continuing the struggle unless something happened & fast. but, from the swedish & polish point of view, there was little we cd do since their AI allies wd not join the war against the french & dutch if they declared before the truce had ended. due to some diplomacy which the poles were not privy to, the austrians decided enough was enough & that it was time to try & give back some of what had been given them in past years ... & w/ the sultan they joined the war on the side of the english & spanish coalition. hundreds of thousands of ottoman troops entered the fray in northern italy & the french soon felt the bite of their swords as one army was completely annihilated.
The Ottomans in Northern Italy
when the truce b/tw the dutch & the swedes expired the swedes DOW'd the netherlands to try & get back some of their own. by this time, poland was part of the prussian alliance, having spent well over 1000 ducats bringing polish/prussian relations back into shape, which was no small thing given that the polish monarch had a diplomatic ability of 2 & our economy was, well, crap to put it nicely! w/ us came the russians, who too felt that the french/dutch coalition were too strong to let go undefied & entered the english/spanish alliance. the war was an astounding success right away as dutch province after dutch province fell to our combined forces. but, then, the wily dutch saw that the prussians were the heads of our alliance & treated for peace w/ them, ceding a province to the swedes & ending our participation in the war.
there was much gnashing of teeth in the spanish/english alliance.
but, then, strangely, prussia decided to declare war on austria ... our erstwhile (to put it mildly) ally ... the alliance call was promptly dishonored by sweden & poland who then quickly created their own coaltion & declared war once again -- damn the stab consequences! -- on the french/dutch alliance. there were some great battles, but soon all of the lowlands fell to the combined forces of the east (w/ some help from england too, it must not be forgotten.)
Sweden & Poland enter the fray, the first
To Zeeland! (Sweden & Poland re-enter the fray)
however, the prussians had already made inroads against our austrian friends & napoleon was far from dead.
The Problem of Prussia
how it will turn out? who knows? b/tw the arrogance of the east & the crocodile tears of the west, there's little room for truth. only time will tell.
well, some folks might be wondering what all the fuss is about, so here's an account, from poland's perspective, of what went down:
sadly, the game ended prematurely due to my ISP going down, for which i extend my apologies ... hopefully we'll finish this sucker off soon.
the session started off quite peacefully, although we all knew that a storm was brewing. the calm was broken by a dutch/austrian DOW on hessen (ai), which brought prussia (ai/alliance leader) and sweden (human) into the fray against them. hessen was a five or six province nation at the time, so, naturally, this was regarded as quite the provocation. after a battle or two b/tw the swedes (LT 50's, inflation 100%+) & austria (LT 20's, inflation 100%+) sweden thought he had secured a peace b/tw all the parties & accepted a white peace w/ austria. however, it was not the case, leaving austria at war w/ sweden's AI allies & sweden in a fight w/ the dutch (LT 50's -- huge economy/limited inflation), which was not likely to end in success. the poles were worried about this incursion on their neighbors & gave the swedes more than 1000$ to stem the tide, but there was little for it as the swedes cdn't get armies into northern germany quickly enough to make much difference -- dutch fleets held the baltic sea -- & a peace was finally settled on w/ austria taking erz & the dutch taking two or three provinces from hessen.
but this was just a sideshow, really, the real action started when england & spain DOW'd the dutch once again & the french, switching alliances once again, joined in on the side of the dutch. little seemed to be happening in the north -- although there may well have been action overseas -- but a french army numbering hundreds of thousands was sent to spain. at first, it seemed as if the spanish had managed to fight off the french behemoth which caused considerable wonder in the rest of the world.
The French Invasion
The French Repulsed
the english, believing there was an opportunity to nip the french threat in the bud, sent duke wellington at the head of an army to spain, to try & put down the french threat once & for all. but, apparently due to general lag, it was not to be & the entire spanish defense force as well as the english excursion ... an army of upwards 300,000 souls ... perished at the hands of napoleon & his men.
Wellington is Dead
the resulting spanish cry for help was heard throughout the rest of the world w/ some concern; it seemed as if he thought there was no point in continuing the struggle unless something happened & fast. but, from the swedish & polish point of view, there was little we cd do since their AI allies wd not join the war against the french & dutch if they declared before the truce had ended. due to some diplomacy which the poles were not privy to, the austrians decided enough was enough & that it was time to try & give back some of what had been given them in past years ... & w/ the sultan they joined the war on the side of the english & spanish coalition. hundreds of thousands of ottoman troops entered the fray in northern italy & the french soon felt the bite of their swords as one army was completely annihilated.
The Ottomans in Northern Italy
when the truce b/tw the dutch & the swedes expired the swedes DOW'd the netherlands to try & get back some of their own. by this time, poland was part of the prussian alliance, having spent well over 1000 ducats bringing polish/prussian relations back into shape, which was no small thing given that the polish monarch had a diplomatic ability of 2 & our economy was, well, crap to put it nicely! w/ us came the russians, who too felt that the french/dutch coalition were too strong to let go undefied & entered the english/spanish alliance. the war was an astounding success right away as dutch province after dutch province fell to our combined forces. but, then, the wily dutch saw that the prussians were the heads of our alliance & treated for peace w/ them, ceding a province to the swedes & ending our participation in the war.
there was much gnashing of teeth in the spanish/english alliance.
but, then, strangely, prussia decided to declare war on austria ... our erstwhile (to put it mildly) ally ... the alliance call was promptly dishonored by sweden & poland who then quickly created their own coaltion & declared war once again -- damn the stab consequences! -- on the french/dutch alliance. there were some great battles, but soon all of the lowlands fell to the combined forces of the east (w/ some help from england too, it must not be forgotten.)
Sweden & Poland enter the fray, the first
To Zeeland! (Sweden & Poland re-enter the fray)
however, the prussians had already made inroads against our austrian friends & napoleon was far from dead.
The Problem of Prussia
how it will turn out? who knows? b/tw the arrogance of the east & the crocodile tears of the west, there's little room for truth. only time will tell.
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Nice Post TPC, I like your revealing information about the War. So much can be seen in one screenshot that can never be fully written about for all our fans and friends, and enemies
Hessen was a foolish move, but TAF has been quite laziafairs lately. I'm shocked I didn't recieve more warning from him, before. The fact is I think France was awesome at this point. He should be able to with those Armies and Tech Levels<HUGE Leader bonus> make at least a defensive move against the entirety of the World. However he was caught with his pants down...On the Offensive in Iberia
Hessen was a foolish move, but TAF has been quite laziafairs lately. I'm shocked I didn't recieve more warning from him, before. The fact is I think France was awesome at this point. He should be able to with those Armies and Tech Levels<HUGE Leader bonus> make at least a defensive move against the entirety of the World. However he was caught with his pants down...On the Offensive in Iberia
lol
heh ... i wondered if you'd catch that drew. yep, that was right after we spoke of our royal marriage ... i thought that you were going to stick w/ the dutch; so when the time to strike was at hand, i was simply going to lose the stab, instead of forewarning you that i intended to meddle in the affairs of the west.
but as it turned out, the holy roman warrior saw the light & joined the forces for all that is good & right w/ the world, & it turned out that there was no reason to break that royal marriage after all.
heh ... i wondered if you'd catch that drew. yep, that was right after we spoke of our royal marriage ... i thought that you were going to stick w/ the dutch; so when the time to strike was at hand, i was simply going to lose the stab, instead of forewarning you that i intended to meddle in the affairs of the west.
but as it turned out, the holy roman warrior saw the light & joined the forces for all that is good & right w/ the world, & it turned out that there was no reason to break that royal marriage after all.
Well what are the peace offers? I'll take white peace, but for some reason I dont think you will accept, in this, the 'War of Eastern Boredom'.
I don't think I can again challange for the lead, so perhaps the Sultan and the like can look for "glory" on the fields of Spain. Yet, for some reason, I don't think that will happen.
I don't think I can again challange for the lead, so perhaps the Sultan and the like can look for "glory" on the fields of Spain. Yet, for some reason, I don't think that will happen.
tpc's (very good) post and screenies explained a lot.
Awesome war.
I really enjoyed this thread over the past months. Keep it up (AAR's) with the new game.
"Gangbanging" in the last 30 years of the game - however undesirable- is pretty much unavoidable (in this game). You've all seen it dozens of times.
(I do not think that spain will have an easy run from now on. Let's see what the last few years bring ... )
Awesome war.
I really enjoyed this thread over the past months. Keep it up (AAR's) with the new game.
"Gangbanging" in the last 30 years of the game - however undesirable- is pretty much unavoidable (in this game). You've all seen it dozens of times.
(I do not think that spain will have an easy run from now on. Let's see what the last few years bring ... )
Kleves is a good Warrior! Don't undersell him, and the gangbang though militarily is partly unfair, he should have been watching our mobilization and Austrian Military Stance. It was 100% apparent when I WPed out with Spain and cancelled his MA what was going on<there was a good 6 months to prepare>. He threw himself into Spain for a quick Blitz like Victory. He thought he could use the Dutch to cover his Flank and take Spain out completely then turn his weight around to face English and Eastern Threat. Strategically he underestimated the Power of MP from the OE and what several nations no matter how poor and low in tech, organized are still a real threat. With the Military Genuis of Napoleon there is still a way to win at this game level, Devout is no slouch! Those armies are nearly unbeatable if you set them up right! With his tech, MP and Leaders he should be able to stand a gangbang. I have seen Russia hold out against worse! Gotta give Manitou Credit!
Me and TPC are pretty even steven, in the War of the German States he proved his militarly prowess and any modern comparison is unfair. His technology and mine are closer aligned. In the end there was a stalemate. He threw endless #s into my guns, kept the highground so to speak and forced me to peace out due to my Financial constraints! My leadership really gave me an edge, and I knew that his troops were more expensive...but!!! I underestimated in Ducat Reserves...Had I had to go back, I wouldn't have started that War with less than 1500 Ducats + in the bank.
The War isn't over! Between Nappy, I think that if anyone lets up on him now he'll come back twice as furious and drive French inflation wild! There is no point in fighting one of Third Rate Powers to attempt to prove something. I really think that the French Army had 60/40 chance of winning the War as is... It's a miracale that Elijah's Spain held back the French Hordes! The English could never really get early Presence... It was 1v1 there was merely a clock on that time frame. Good to have extra Fortresses and Ducats for Spain. He thought ahead of time... Though France underestimated Spain
Economy doesn't matter, mobilization does
Germany in the 30s mobilized in face of countries several times more economically powerful and pushed his nation through, just Kleves failed at pushing through... if Elijah wins he is pretty well deservant of a top 3 notches... Spain at this point is a perilious nation indeed
Me and TPC are pretty even steven, in the War of the German States he proved his militarly prowess and any modern comparison is unfair. His technology and mine are closer aligned. In the end there was a stalemate. He threw endless #s into my guns, kept the highground so to speak and forced me to peace out due to my Financial constraints! My leadership really gave me an edge, and I knew that his troops were more expensive...but!!! I underestimated in Ducat Reserves...Had I had to go back, I wouldn't have started that War with less than 1500 Ducats + in the bank.
The War isn't over! Between Nappy, I think that if anyone lets up on him now he'll come back twice as furious and drive French inflation wild! There is no point in fighting one of Third Rate Powers to attempt to prove something. I really think that the French Army had 60/40 chance of winning the War as is... It's a miracale that Elijah's Spain held back the French Hordes! The English could never really get early Presence... It was 1v1 there was merely a clock on that time frame. Good to have extra Fortresses and Ducats for Spain. He thought ahead of time... Though France underestimated Spain
Economy doesn't matter, mobilization does
Germany in the 30s mobilized in face of countries several times more economically powerful and pushed his nation through, just Kleves failed at pushing through... if Elijah wins he is pretty well deservant of a top 3 notches... Spain at this point is a perilious nation indeed
1808: Nearing End Nappy Losses Toll Total since Scenario start
Sp: 3.9 750. 1372
491
FR: 5.2 1.8 575.
127
UK: 1.75 430. 664.
664
OE: 5.2 2.2 574.
92
Rus 4.5 1.2 672.
51
Pol 2.8 500 20.
10
Aus 2.3 309. 302.
27
Swe 1.9 5.4 897.
68
Neth 2.6 560. 2119.
719
INF CAV CANNONS
LAST FIG: WARSHIPS LOST ONLY
VPs:
SP: 3752
Ne: 3744
Fr: 3499 -561 for Mission
Eng:3451 -233
OE: 3082
Aus: 2144 -630
Swe:1635 -260
Rus: 1421 -290
Pol: 805
Correct my figures if I've been playing too much WW2Online and my eyes are fuzzy.
TPC!!!!!!!! The Figures are showing you something, like my bankruptcies your lack of Cannons has cost you!!!
Sp: 3.9 750. 1372
491
FR: 5.2 1.8 575.
127
UK: 1.75 430. 664.
664
OE: 5.2 2.2 574.
92
Rus 4.5 1.2 672.
51
Pol 2.8 500 20.
10
Aus 2.3 309. 302.
27
Swe 1.9 5.4 897.
68
Neth 2.6 560. 2119.
719
INF CAV CANNONS
LAST FIG: WARSHIPS LOST ONLY
VPs:
SP: 3752
Ne: 3744
Fr: 3499 -561 for Mission
Eng:3451 -233
OE: 3082
Aus: 2144 -630
Swe:1635 -260
Rus: 1421 -290
Pol: 805
Correct my figures if I've been playing too much WW2Online and my eyes are fuzzy.
TPC!!!!!!!! The Figures are showing you something, like my bankruptcies your lack of Cannons has cost you!!!
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Kleves:
You can come and get some revenge afterwards. You know you want to pick on a country 1/50th your economy and 1/100th your Army However Ultimately you're not going to win, cause of your MP BB <oh and by the way we're on the same page in VPs if you -Mission Next to one another> I love ya
Multiplayer BadBoy... Conclusions ? Bah.. I'm factual and the facts are the facts. France was far too Greedy. She should've remained Loyal to her Subject Netherlands!
You can come and get some revenge afterwards. You know you want to pick on a country 1/50th your economy and 1/100th your Army
However Ultimately you're not going to win, cause of your MP BB <oh and by the way we're on the same page in VPs if you -Mission Next to one another> I love yaMultiplayer BadBoy... Conclusions ? Bah.. I'm factual and the facts are the facts. France was far too Greedy. She should've remained Loyal to her Subject Netherlands!
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Originally posted by Count Drew
Kleves:
Multiplayer BadBoy... Conclusions ? Bah.. I'm factual and the facts are the facts. France was far too Greedy. She should've remained Loyal to her Subject Netherlands!
Actually, my France has been the least greedy compared to Tuesday and Sunday. I think it's hurt me, I should have been more expansionist.
A. Unprovoked Invasion of Austria in WW1<no warning to Austria of Expansion into Savoy or Italy>
B. Thievery of the Lowlands after financial compensation had been established has a form of land transfer within the first 10-15 years of gameplay. In Artois Region where Austria sweetly offered France 2 provinces peacefully
C. Theft of Austrian Core in the strategic Province of Tirol theft Mantua and the strongarm policy towards Austria throughout the War Until --
D. The continued onslaught upon the Eastern Alliance of which Austria fell out of due to 2500 ducats of debt the East couldn't finance<a huge BB hit to Austrian Leadership> and the goal destruction of Eastern Bloc Control of Italy and moving France's main competitor OE out of the War Entirely, of Which Austria fought with Once against his former allies formerly.
E. Longtime Ally Netherlands, attacked and destroyed with France siding with Spain and England. Spain of which was an enemy the entire Game. Persecuting an unneccessary War capturing Vienna to Venice from Austria. No other nation aside from OE having ever done so... and in the 16th century...driving Austria nearly into Bankrupcty and raising her inflation another 15% cause she could not fight the superior armies of France in the late 18th century
Final facts: 2/3rd of Austrians in their graves are due to French Flintlocks and Sabres
Poland-Russian-Sweden entering is simply a matter of VP collection. Towards the end, all out for themselves. I'm certian I'm not done being a target with many other European Nations... Perhaps had you remained true in The Betrayal of Hessen at Breaking the Treaty of the Once Great Coalition you wouldn't be fighting your English Brethren now Shigure who next to Satan run the finest economy in the game! France has a bank, called the Dutch... Just you're not gonna squeeze much out of his economy without ensuring his protection and Loyalty. Summize, costing the Dutch 5k-10k in Ducats in The Betrayal. France signed her own Death Warrant...and gave the Eastern Bloc MP CB... Why she remains true to you now is only a ponderance to me...
6 half a dozen of the other if France or Spain are to win unlike my Goold ole Pal Satan always says, Spain is too much of a frontrunner. You had it... Greed
Austria 1 MP offence<breaking Treaty of Eastern Bloc to prevent Bankrupcty> 1 Major AI MP offence, BB Hessen Aggression
B. Thievery of the Lowlands after financial compensation had been established has a form of land transfer within the first 10-15 years of gameplay. In Artois Region where Austria sweetly offered France 2 provinces peacefully
C. Theft of Austrian Core in the strategic Province of Tirol theft Mantua and the strongarm policy towards Austria throughout the War Until --
D. The continued onslaught upon the Eastern Alliance of which Austria fell out of due to 2500 ducats of debt the East couldn't finance<a huge BB hit to Austrian Leadership> and the goal destruction of Eastern Bloc Control of Italy and moving France's main competitor OE out of the War Entirely, of Which Austria fought with Once against his former allies formerly.
E. Longtime Ally Netherlands, attacked and destroyed with France siding with Spain and England. Spain of which was an enemy the entire Game. Persecuting an unneccessary War capturing Vienna to Venice from Austria. No other nation aside from OE having ever done so... and in the 16th century...driving Austria nearly into Bankrupcty and raising her inflation another 15% cause she could not fight the superior armies of France in the late 18th century
Final facts: 2/3rd of Austrians in their graves are due to French Flintlocks and Sabres
Poland-Russian-Sweden entering is simply a matter of VP collection. Towards the end, all out for themselves. I'm certian I'm not done being a target with many other European Nations... Perhaps had you remained true in The Betrayal of Hessen at Breaking the Treaty of the Once Great Coalition you wouldn't be fighting your English Brethren now
Shigure who next to Satan run the finest economy in the game! France has a bank, called the Dutch... Just you're not gonna squeeze much out of his economy without ensuring his protection and Loyalty. Summize, costing the Dutch 5k-10k in Ducats in The Betrayal. France signed her own Death Warrant...and gave the Eastern Bloc MP CB... Why she remains true to you now is only a ponderance to me...6 half a dozen of the other if France or Spain are to win unlike my Goold ole Pal Satan always says, Spain is too much of a frontrunner. You had it... Greed
Austria 1 MP offence<breaking Treaty of Eastern Bloc to prevent Bankrupcty> 1 Major AI MP offence, BB Hessen Aggression
A) Both the OE and Poland were in on that, who you are now happily allied with.
B) Well, I paid for what I took originally, and you agreed.
C) You forget the Austrian cores that the OE is holding.
D) This one really deserves a:
. They declared war on me 5 times. Hardly an onslaught I brought on them.E) Perhaps a good point. Though the English made it clear it was either Freance or the Dutch who were going to be attacked. I prefered in would not be France.
Anyway, most of those points don't wash.