mr. lifford's wed night MP game AAR thread

[manitou333]

If I'm able to play I'd like England, Sweden, or OE. Any of those 3 would be good don't have that much a preferance though I've never player OE or England mp. I would also like Netherlands but really who wouldn't, those guys are fun to play.

Mike D.

 

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some screenies

at one point in the big western war, sweden entered an alliance w/ hessen etc. in order to prevent further austrian/dutch gains in northern germany, or so i wd guess ... here's a screenie of the only battle fought in that contest:

i wasn't able to see many of the battles in netherlands b/c satan refused my royal marriage offer, but here's a scene from a battle where satan was saying there was little point in yielding the coalition meant him so much harm.

a picture of occupied netherlands:

i don't have the latest save, but when i get one i will post the world situation.

 

[manitou333]

An idea for the Ebbeson mod

Ok I think the reson that PErsia is so strong tis that there is not incentive for Persia nad OE to fight, non. As an idea we could give Persia Arabic culture and OE Persian culture then they might actually fight over those provs as they would be worth a lot more instead of the ahistorcal allaince. That's why they are to strong I think, not bewcause they are overpowered but that OE and Persia gain nothing by fighting. Just thought I would toss that out there.

Mike D.

 

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Originally posted by KlevesWarrior
So far, just by casual picking, we have:

Shig: Sweden
Kleves: Austria
Camisa: Spain
selfparody: Brandenburg or Venice
TAF: Ottomans

Adding:

Manitou: England
Drew: France

 

[Mem de Sá]

Originally posted by KlevesWarrior

So perhaps we can get it resolved this way, though I would prefer a bidding system.

BTW, what is a bidding system?

 

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Originally posted by Camisa 10
BTW, what is a bidding system?

A system were you bid VPs, in order to see who gets what.

You would bid with sets of 100.

Say I bid 600, and I get Spain, I would then get 600 VPs taken from my final score.

What this does is it helps balance the game for nations like Poland, who usually don't get enormous amounts of VPs. So players will probably not bid large amounts for Poland, so they will not lose as many.

Hopefully that cleared it up a little. Though maybe it just confused you even more.

 

[Count Drew]

I am not going to hog the main Military Power if someone really would like to play her. I am very easy going about picking a Major or Inbetween Power. I just enjoy the whole aspect of diplomacy, expansion, trading, military and economic managment. I.E. In Russia's on right she has been run better than France in this game IMHO. She has had to fight an entire Army of 3 or 4 combined nations at once! As did they Dutch, they have done a GREAT job of gaining a HUGE Tech and income advantage. This looks really frightening. I'm sorry but i think that poor Netherlands was completely gangbanged and it was entirely backstabbing seeing the Map. Having Spain-England-France altogether attack her!?
GOD LORDY: THIS IS REDICILIOUS: What did 200k in French, 200k in Spanish, and 200k in English with their combined fleets 3 times the size of the Netherlands completely come down on her at once? Using me as bait in Hessen? That was cruel... I'm gonna make a mental note, "Trust Noone!" aside from TPC and Satan... They may not be generous but they won't backstab you. Dave is fairly loyal... and TAF I get the feeling he is too. Though Elijah, Shig and Kleves are treacherous...Manitou is completely neutral <dontcha just love political Personality>


I'm not neccessarily one who believes in 1on1 though she can't possibly defend herself in the Low Countries like that. I think that France and England vs the Dutch/Spanish would've actually been a true Challenge and true quality even War. This was a DutchBashing...

Has Satan really earned the reputation? I don't think so, aside from envy. I suppose it hurts most to be on Top, as someone always want your Crown. I will make sure in the future to remain away from the Top until the very end then you backstab

 

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Originally posted by KlevesWarrior
So far, just by casual picking, we have:

Shig: Sweden
Kleves: Austria
Camisa: Spain
selfparody: Brandenburg or Venice
TAF: Ottomans

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Originally posted by KlevesWarrior
Adding:

Manitou: England
Drew: France

.. Ack!... we definately can't do it first come first serve. All the big nations are picked except Russia and Poland. Satan, TPC, Basil and I haven't even picked yet.

Reverse vp order is the best way to go with the new players choosing last imo.

 

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Originally posted by Mrlifford
.. Ack!... we definately can't do it first come first serve. All the big nations are picked except Russia and Poland. Satan, TPC, Basil and I haven't even picked yet.

Reverse vp order is the best way to go with the new players choosing last imo.

Oh, I know. I was just thinking any conflicts (if you guys want the nations that someone else said they wanted), then we'd go in reverse VP order. This leaves the questions of: where do new players fit in? But that will be a problem with any reverse VP system.

Well, anyway you decide to do it will be fine.

 

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Originally posted by Count Drew
I.E. In Russia's on right she has been run better than France in this game IMHO. She has had to fight an entire Army of 3 or 4 combined nations at once!

Bah. I saved Russia for this?

 

[manitou333]

Originally posted by Count Drew
I'm gonna make a mental note, "Trust Noone!" aside from TPC and Satan... They may not be generous but they won't backstab you. Dave is fairly loyal... and TAF I get the feeling he is too. Though Elijah, Shig and Kleves are treacherous...Manitou is completely neutral <dontcha just love political Personality>

Wow I don't know what to say Drew, thanks for the compliment. I'm shocked that you veiw my honor at neutral I was sure the general opinion about my playing style was much more heartless

Mike D.

 

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Originally posted by KlevesWarrior

What this does is it helps balance the game for nations like Poland, who usually don't get enormous amounts of VPs. So players will probably not bid large amounts for Poland, so they will not lose as many.

Hopefully that cleared it up a little. Though maybe it just confused you even more.

Thanks, its cleared up.
So I can bid 10000 and have the nation i want?
As Iam the one who dont cares a lot with VPs
But from playing with you guys iam starting to look at those strange numbers

 

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Originally posted by Tricon
Sorry for the off topic, guys.

You do a great job of entertaining, and I really enjoyed this thread in the past weeks. Keep it up.
A few more screenies and AAR's wouldn't hurt next time around... but I'm really not complaining (Still would have loved to see some screenies of the epic battles being faught recently ... or of those yet to come...).

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Now, for the off topic:




Hi Satan. I tried to PM you but you message box is full....

Way to go! Looking forward to this years burning man as well.
Is this your first time, or are you a regular?

Anyway, it would be nice if we could talk a bit about burning man. So ... if it suits you, answer!

I'm heading to Las Vegas this Weekend, but I'll be back on August 14th. (Just in case you answer ... that's the reason why I do not re-answer emidietly... )

C-ya.
Tricon.
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Sorry for the interuption.....

Hmmm.... very odd. It looks to me like I have no private messages, try again

you can also try Email me at "sardron@hotmail.com" - don't take that as an endorsement of Microsoft though, I dispise them

 

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Originally posted by Camisa 10

As Iam the one who dont cares a lot with VPs

We only play for VPs because, currently, they are the only way to "judge" a game.

I don't really care about them, but the others play for them, so I do as well.

 

[Count Drew]

I don't think VPs are 100% accurate in MP games especially. Close though. Well, first off you have to look at the traits and attributes of your current country and of the duration of it's lifetime. Basically each player is a Manager not an Owner! In this case I'd say that the winner so far of our game is definitely France and will probably win the game in my eyes even without VPs. The King until him was the OE, he ruled by #s and by capturing Italy-huge tracts of Russia-burning Austria before she was a threat. In General things have taken a huge mood swing, with the leadership from Tourenne on the OE was stopped cold. Tech gaps, manpower, and a focus upon Russia in the Strategic plan being the downfall of the former King. Kleves made some errors early and wanted the Crown so he moved against his old Ally and became New King by conquest. The Dutch-English-Spanish have been merely bankbooks for the other Powers. I'd call the Spanish a decent Prince.

1. Fra
2. OE
3. Spain
4. Dutch-Eng
5. Rus-Swe
6. Aus-Pol

Only way things are going to change by this point if someone can kick Kleves butt in my mind he's the Winner hands down

 

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I'm going out paintballing today, but I should be back in time for the game's start. Just giving you the heads up, in case I'm a bit late.

 

[Count Drew]

I'll be a tad bit late... which is fine leave the ai up for me if I'm not back in time. and pick me up when you can

 

[Count Drew]

The Bloody Years turn of the 19th century

The world is a very changed place!
Austria first persecuted a War against Hessen primarily targeted at her Ally Prussia to regain Erz. Although ultimately this would prove to be an error. Nethersland and Sweden sparred mostly during this conflict but not enough to shed much blood. A prelude to the upcomming Napoleonic wars. Nethersland for a brief moment returned into the top notch position after the Great Betrayal of the 1790s.....

France committed to a War with her former Ally Netherlands she'd betrayed and fought to the bitter death against Spain and England to once and for all claim European Dominance over all other Powers. Austria found herself torn between old rivals and the fact that in the Great Betrayal that the French had looted and destroyed The Entire Austrian Armed Forces! When she was very backwards technologically and otherwise.... We sided with a New Eastern Bloc, with OE-Poland-Sweden-Russia and attacked France with a meager 50kish Army on our side. By the time of OE-Austrian Entry Madrid had fallen and the War was looking down for the English-Spanish Combination. Throwing her weight in OE destroyed superior French armies in Italy<with #s and the Ole Glory Flag of Allay> and with her Minor Ally Austria nearly captured the whole North half of the Boot! Quickly the French took to arms with their infamous Devout, destroyed the incursion into their lands and soon after Combo armies from Sweden-Poland-Russia joined in and defended the Northern flank against the Netherlands. The Dutch Capitol Fell to the massive BEF and the French were repulsed from Spain completely! Regardless of the entire route of the OE-Austrian Expeditionary forces and the loss of all their leadership in the pitched battle of Mantua the Stability of the French Leadership was in question and all offensive operations that had pressed as far into Austria as SteierMark ceased...She had to defend her own soil now!
The French had to commit forces to protect his flanks in Italy, a breakout was most certian without a dedication of an Army. Although she made quick work of Our Holy Roman Empire her own soil Was under Grave Threat from Many directions now and a dedication of her leadership was impossible against her foe in Spain. These were perhaps a Echoes of once Braver Days when Austrians and Ottomans slew Frenchmen together. of the 100 thousand Frenchmen that paid the ultimate and nearly 300 thousand Allied troops we hear the old Drumbeats of Freedom. The old Drums of War of a second Calling. From the Medieval Eastern Powers the End once and for all to the Great Power of France for eternity into the Journals of history

 

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Spain and her alliance have:

-The two strongest economies in the world.
-The two strongest navies in the world
- the 2nd and 3rd best armies in the world
-the most Vps in the world
-more combined manpower than France
- more combined troops than France
- conducting an offensive war

And yet somehow they needed to be saved?

Or was it merely a Napoleon bash? A war because the powers were "bored"?

It seems people have given up trying to improve their nations, and just want to get in on some action, and maybe fight a battle against Napoleon.

Sorry if I sound angry at all, getting attacked by every player nation on the planet (with the exception of the Dutch), can do that to you.

 

[Count Drew]

Well, I suppose it was almost near impossible for the French to fight everyone. Although she had the best Army and Leaders and the World and pledged non-offensive activity for Nap Era. Not only but selling out Austria and the Netherlands in the previous decade was indeed an unwise decision...would prove to be a fatale one...

The corridor to Southern France and the Navy to invade the Lowlands. The two extremely valuable options

Had the Dutch Navy Survived and the Austrian positioned been strengthened. A cog against the OE and East and a Cog Against the Hordes of Englishmen. Then a Freehand and the time neccessary to conquor Madrid, Andalusia, etc..Political Error