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I want a piece of Brandenburg if it's divided up. Rightfully it's in my area of interest, being German and already having Erz, awfully large at this point considering it's the AI. France/Netherlands should only offer Ducats<a requirement to NEETO> and non-aggressive military support if they want to be involved... Otherwise Sweden and Austria and perhaps Denmark may see this as an act of Violence torwards NEETO interests.
Yes, I'm looking forward to playing tonight also, at 8 o'clock tonight we have a game going that we started last week with most of the same crew. All show and extra, so we can fill the holes if neccessary
In my other game I'm Brandenburg
Yes, I'm looking forward to playing tonight also, at 8 o'clock tonight we have a game going that we started last week with most of the same crew. All show and extra, so we can fill the holes if neccessary
In my other game I'm Brandenburg
Sweden and Netherlands feel they see eye to eye on this.
The Netherlands at least is completely opposed to any partition of Brandenburg at this time, whoever does it.
The Netherlands at least is completely opposed to any partition of Brandenburg at this time, whoever does it.
Sweden
Sweden is opposed to partitioning Brandenburg, at this juncture, not in negotiating over how it is going to be partitioned.
Sweden's position is, I hope, clear. We do not agree to the attack by Poland on a friendly Brandenburg, we do not agree and will not accept its annexation or partitioning by any powers. we expect for reason to prevail, and that Poland will limit its aggression to one province, namely Kustrin. If more than that occurs, we will consider that an actual casus belli, if not a game one.
In the event of that casus belli, we will take advice and answer in an appropriate fashion, at an appropriate time, and Poland will not like the answer, in my belief. I ask the Netherlands and my ally Russia(and France as well) to consult with me on the best way to stop this unprovoked aggression on a nation that has always been friendly to Poland, as I wish our response to be clear, coherent, and agreed and understood between us.
TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
Sweden is opposed to partitioning Brandenburg, at this juncture, not in negotiating over how it is going to be partitioned.
Sweden's position is, I hope, clear. We do not agree to the attack by Poland on a friendly Brandenburg, we do not agree and will not accept its annexation or partitioning by any powers. we expect for reason to prevail, and that Poland will limit its aggression to one province, namely Kustrin. If more than that occurs, we will consider that an actual casus belli, if not a game one.
In the event of that casus belli, we will take advice and answer in an appropriate fashion, at an appropriate time, and Poland will not like the answer, in my belief. I ask the Netherlands and my ally Russia(and France as well) to consult with me on the best way to stop this unprovoked aggression on a nation that has always been friendly to Poland, as I wish our response to be clear, coherent, and agreed and understood between us.
TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
Sweden
In addition, I believe that the head of my alliance, Austria, has a point. In most likely scenarios, NEETO will be able to tackle the onerous duty of war on its own, but money is always very welcome.
There is a scenario, that I can foresee, that would involve the Dutch, which is why i specifically ask for a consultation with the Dutch Foreign Minister.
TAF, Foreign Minsiter of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
In addition, I believe that the head of my alliance, Austria, has a point. In most likely scenarios, NEETO will be able to tackle the onerous duty of war on its own, but money is always very welcome.
There is a scenario, that I can foresee, that would involve the Dutch, which is why i specifically ask for a consultation with the Dutch Foreign Minister.
TAF, Foreign Minsiter of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
I wonder if Austria is a loyal member of NEETO, when he is so obviously in the Sultan's pocket. Not only does he back down at the drop of a hat, now he wants to take an active part in the partitioning of Bradenburg.
France supports both Sweden and the Netherlands in their wish to see Bradenburg spared. France shall help to bring this to an acceptable conclusion, one way, or another...
Regent Kleves, Minister of Foreign Affairs, on Behalf of the King of France
France supports both Sweden and the Netherlands in their wish to see Bradenburg spared. France shall help to bring this to an acceptable conclusion, one way, or another...
Regent Kleves, Minister of Foreign Affairs, on Behalf of the King of France
Accussations from the One who conspired my Fall in the First War... Hmmm... I didn't see you March into Poland to help Russia or me? Still waiting on one of my cores? Why not give it back then be one to talk.. Perhaps you could've seized the moment and did something brilliant and kept OE in check instead of conspiring and then laying low. Truly a backstabbing nation France is... At least Poland is an Open Warmonger... I have no cores of any MP players... or even AI
Believe whatever you wish Austria, but the issue was whether you were a loyal member of NEETO. Which you did not address.
Hmmm,
I haven't seen you contribute a single dime to NEETO, this is a treaty of death, ducats and actions... take your words elsewhere
Austria's contribution:
<50+ thousand lives, bankruptcy, 100%+ Inflation an end result directly do to countries like you will lack of financial aide>
I haven't seen you contribute a single dime to NEETO, this is a treaty of death, ducats and actions... take your words elsewhere
Austria's contribution:
<50+ thousand lives, bankruptcy, 100%+ Inflation an end result directly do to countries like you will lack of financial aide>
Hmmm... I don't really want to be part of this spat, but I don't think Austria contributed anything to NEETO yet. They newly became part of that alliance and mostly expended those lives and money trying to regain their former glory while France, England and the Netherlands were saving Russia. That doesn't mean to say that Austria won't become active or helpful part of NEETO - that's for NEETO itself to decide.
sweden
Sweden proposes the following treaty, effective upon signed ratification by all five signatories, either in this thread before game or at the start of tonight's session:
1) Poland will take only one province, Kustrin from Brandenburg
2) Poland will not vassalize Brandenburg
3) Poland, and none of the other signatories to this treaty, will attack Brandenburg during the duration of this agreement
4) The Ottoman Empire will give to Austria the 3 provinces of Pest, Ansbach, and Stiermark
5) That Sweden and/or Russia will not DOW or attack Poland and/or Ottoman Empire for a period of 20 years from present date, i.e., through January 1, 1627
6) That Poland and/or Ottoman Empire will not DOW or attack Austria, Sweden and/or Russia for the same 20 year period as above, through january 1, 1627
7) That if involved in a war that violates the above agreement because of an alliance honoring, that the relevant power will sign a white peace at the earliest possible time, and will not attack during that period before the white peace is signed.
Submitted by TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
Sweden proposes the following treaty, effective upon signed ratification by all five signatories, either in this thread before game or at the start of tonight's session:
1) Poland will take only one province, Kustrin from Brandenburg
2) Poland will not vassalize Brandenburg
3) Poland, and none of the other signatories to this treaty, will attack Brandenburg during the duration of this agreement
4) The Ottoman Empire will give to Austria the 3 provinces of Pest, Ansbach, and Stiermark
5) That Sweden and/or Russia will not DOW or attack Poland and/or Ottoman Empire for a period of 20 years from present date, i.e., through January 1, 1627
6) That Poland and/or Ottoman Empire will not DOW or attack Austria, Sweden and/or Russia for the same 20 year period as above, through january 1, 1627
7) That if involved in a war that violates the above agreement because of an alliance honoring, that the relevant power will sign a white peace at the earliest possible time, and will not attack during that period before the white peace is signed.
Submitted by TAF, Foreign Minister of Sweden, Protector of Brandenburg
Sweden
Sweden ratifies the above treaty and awaits its effectiveness upon the remaining necessary ratifications
Sweden ratifies the above treaty and awaits its effectiveness upon the remaining necessary ratifications
RE:
Attack on Poland for personal gain? Hmmm Netherlands, seems to be a gap in your memory. I wouldn't have had the opportunity to make good on any of that with OE sitting on my border with 100k...the entire time! As I remeber I was the first to DOW Poland, Hungary was used to defend my border against OE while I attempted to get Russia out of a War she couldn't win and I was praying that the West would come to my aide of course that was a dream.
Though of course I made a small contribution, in the bigger Scheme of Things. I wonder where all this love for Russia/Bradenburg was when I was being dismantled? None here?
I can second this Accord but I don't like Bradenburg, but they are a cog in the wheel of balance. Sweden shows much wisdom!
Attack on Poland for personal gain? Hmmm Netherlands, seems to be a gap in your memory. I wouldn't have had the opportunity to make good on any of that with OE sitting on my border with 100k...the entire time! As I remeber I was the first to DOW Poland, Hungary was used to defend my border against OE while I attempted to get Russia out of a War she couldn't win and I was praying that the West would come to my aide of course that was a dream.
Though of course I made a small contribution, in the bigger Scheme of Things. I wonder where all this love for Russia/Bradenburg was when I was being dismantled? None here?
I can second this Accord but I don't like Bradenburg, but they are a cog in the wheel of balance. Sweden shows much wisdom!
Umm... Netherlands captured Pommern, destroyed a 25,000 man Polish army and was marching further into Poland. I believe France was also marching into Polish territory.
This is rather pointless discussion, since I am quite sure we accomplished our goals, Poland seems to be rather upset with us, and Russia is the only arbiter that matters in this. Poland went from demanding 7 provinces at the start to settling for a white peace, and it is quite unlikely that was because of Austria.
Screencaps!
Europe, September 1627
North America, September 1627
These images courtesy of tpc:
Brandenburg destroyed, April 1607
Brandenburg nearly kills the Holy Roman Emperor, September 1609
Poland invaded, July 1623
Europe, September 1627
North America, September 1627
These images courtesy of tpc:
Brandenburg destroyed, April 1607
Brandenburg nearly kills the Holy Roman Emperor, September 1609
Poland invaded, July 1623
Out of interest was there a Persian, Hungarian, venetian or Mameluk player at any time?
Nope. Our players have been (someone correct me if any of this is inaccurate!):
1492-1500
- Austria - Count Drew
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Muscowy - MrLifford
- Ottoman Empire - Frenzy
- Poland - tpc
- Spain - Nappy
1500-1522
- Austria - Eluminate
- Brandenburg - DGM
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Muscowy - manitou333
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Spain - Elijah
1522-1527
- Austria - Count Drew
- Brandenburg - Tom
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - manitou333
- Russia - Nappy
- Spain - Elijah
1527-1542
- Austria - Count Drew
- Brandenburg - DGM
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Ottoman Empire - Tom
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - ?
- Russia - Nappy
- Spain - Elijah
1542-1552
- Austria - Count Drew
- Brandenburg - Tom
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - ?
- Russia - Nappy
- Spain - Elijah
1552-1560
- Austria - Count Drew
- Brandenburg - Tom
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - Nappy
- Russia - manitou333 (and Civilizedwarfare, for a bit of 1560)
- Spain - Elijah
- Sweden - Satan
1560-1577
- Austria - Count Drew
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Netherlands - Satan
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - Nappy
- Russia - manitou333
- Spain - Elijah
- Sweden - Tom
1577-1607
- Austria - Count Drew
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Netherlands - Satan
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Russia - manitou333
- Spain - Elijah
- Sweden - Tom
1607-1621
- Austria - Count Drew
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Netherlands - Satan
- Ottoman Empire - MrLifford
- Poland - tpc
- Portugal - Nappy
- Russia - manitou333
- Spain - Elijah
- Sweden - Tom
1621-1627
- Austria - Count Drew
- Denmark - Calanctus
- England - Shigure
- France - Kleves
- Netherlands - Satan
- Ottoman Empire - Nappy
- Poland - tpc
- Russia - manitou333
- Spain - Elijah
- Sweden - Tom
WW3
After the fellow European Partners disagreeing to upon the division Bradenburg Austria stepped in against the wishes of every nation but Russia, OE, Poland...and was told she would be swallowed by the powerful German State. By the time Austria was through with her, she settled in giving every territory adjacent to her capitol to Austria aside from it's Capitol as I didn't have time to take it
However War Weariness tore away at the fragile Monarchy and we had to look to those who would genuinely support our growth and progression in the future of a so called 'balanced Europe'.
NEETO was officially dissolved by Austria's actions. The birth of what would come to be another "Great War," was in the making. Spain and France had border disputes both in the New World and Old. England had it's hand in somewhere we're not completely certian of, though I'm sure she would gladly elaborate. The two Majors, clashed like like Steel. Though the Manpower of France was overwhelming for the Spanish to defeat and likely English funded armies.
You see since Austria was dissolved During WW1 and 2, Italy was mostly a French state aside from Savoy. This was of course the Evil French Lord's intention to use OE and Poland to further himself into Italy at Austria's expense, also holding Tirol a supply route to the Boot...
WW3:
The 1620s would be a roaring time for Europe. Despite Austria's poor position and suicidal next move it was a MUST -2 stability: General Von Wallenstein disembarked with 36 thousand Austrian Troops to assualt Tirol in a Pinzer movement. Conquoring it hastily. Then onto Mantua where the OE had crossed over the Adriatic and quickly freed all of French controlled Italy. The Spainish who were very weak at this point praised the Move by the Righteous OE/Austrian Alliance. It was of course against a PowerMonger... Onto Bern where Austria hastily besieged the Swiss occuppied territory and on through into France Proper. The Turks had moved their fleet around to land upon Languedoc and into Lyonnaise with a sizable army that was attritted quite a bit since the Liberation of Italy. The French Moved into Bern to attempt to push by Von Wallenstein but he quickly moved out into his Bavarian Ally's lands to wait... Then as the French marched south he flanked them along with the Turks they fought together in the largest battle we Know of in the War. Obliterating the French at the Battle of Lyonnaise. This may be the largest Battle in history... As I recall there may been as many 200k of mixed Allied Enemy troops in the Frey. Not a precise figure as all that marching and attrittion makes it hard to keep track... The French falling back and quickly pursued by the Austrians and again defeated and retreating again... This time there would be an Ultimate consequence to the lack of Austrian #s 5-1<and we came close to delivering a death blow to them with their low morale!>... Though they fought bravely at the battle of Orleans. 10 thousand Austrian's were sent to their graves along with their Famous General Wallenstein who was captured by the dreaded French and tortured to death for Austrian battleplans.
Peace Must be Accepted... We could force Political Defeat at this point, but pointless as France was now opening Political Channels. So we peaced out with the return of Tirol and Mantua, agreeing that Spain would nolonger be threatened by the English/French Scourge...
The Tiny Power of Austria stood up against the Hordes of the French. In the Name of Valour, and Honour we fought to the Death and bankrupt again!!! Perhaps some luck will now follow. Peace, Prosperity, Deflation... We're tired of War but should we be need again oh prosperous Generals will emerge. With God on our side, GOD WILLING, we shall fight tyranny till the End's of the Earth!!!
After the fellow European Partners disagreeing to upon the division Bradenburg Austria stepped in against the wishes of every nation but Russia, OE, Poland...and was told she would be swallowed by the powerful German State. By the time Austria was through with her, she settled in giving every territory adjacent to her capitol to Austria aside from it's Capitol as I didn't have time to take it
However War Weariness tore away at the fragile Monarchy and we had to look to those who would genuinely support our growth and progression in the future of a so called 'balanced Europe'.
NEETO was officially dissolved by Austria's actions. The birth of what would come to be another "Great War," was in the making. Spain and France had border disputes both in the New World and Old. England had it's hand in somewhere we're not completely certian of, though I'm sure she would gladly elaborate. The two Majors, clashed like like Steel. Though the Manpower of France was overwhelming for the Spanish to defeat and likely English funded armies.
You see since Austria was dissolved During WW1 and 2, Italy was mostly a French state aside from Savoy. This was of course the Evil French Lord's intention to use OE and Poland to further himself into Italy at Austria's expense, also holding Tirol a supply route to the Boot...
WW3:
The 1620s would be a roaring time for Europe. Despite Austria's poor position and suicidal next move it was a MUST -2 stability: General Von Wallenstein disembarked with 36 thousand Austrian Troops to assualt Tirol in a Pinzer movement. Conquoring it hastily. Then onto Mantua where the OE had crossed over the Adriatic and quickly freed all of French controlled Italy. The Spainish who were very weak at this point praised the Move by the Righteous OE/Austrian Alliance. It was of course against a PowerMonger... Onto Bern where Austria hastily besieged the Swiss occuppied territory and on through into France Proper. The Turks had moved their fleet around to land upon Languedoc and into Lyonnaise with a sizable army that was attritted quite a bit since the Liberation of Italy. The French Moved into Bern to attempt to push by Von Wallenstein but he quickly moved out into his Bavarian Ally's lands to wait... Then as the French marched south he flanked them along with the Turks they fought together in the largest battle we Know of in the War. Obliterating the French at the Battle of Lyonnaise. This may be the largest Battle in history... As I recall there may been as many 200k of mixed Allied Enemy troops in the Frey. Not a precise figure as all that marching and attrittion makes it hard to keep track... The French falling back and quickly pursued by the Austrians and again defeated and retreating again... This time there would be an Ultimate consequence to the lack of Austrian #s 5-1<and we came close to delivering a death blow to them with their low morale!>... Though they fought bravely at the battle of Orleans. 10 thousand Austrian's were sent to their graves along with their Famous General Wallenstein who was captured by the dreaded French and tortured to death for Austrian battleplans.
Peace Must be Accepted... We could force Political Defeat at this point, but pointless as France was now opening Political Channels. So we peaced out with the return of Tirol and Mantua, agreeing that Spain would nolonger be threatened by the English/French Scourge...
The Tiny Power of Austria stood up against the Hordes of the French. In the Name of Valour, and Honour we fought to the Death and bankrupt again!!! Perhaps some luck will now follow. Peace, Prosperity, Deflation... We're tired of War but should we be need again oh prosperous Generals will emerge. With God on our side, GOD WILLING, we shall fight tyranny till the End's of the Earth!!!
England, 1607 - 1627
Or; An Exciting Tale of Determination, Deceit, Deception, Devotion, Defenestration, Decapitation, and Devil-food Cake. Part the Sixth.
With the Danish annexation of the Huron Indians in 1607, England finally acquired that which it so desparately sought -- a monopoly of Manhattan trade. The opening of a center of trade in Australia also boosted English trading power throughout the world.
England, along with Spain, had promised the Danes that we accepted their claims to Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, we did not think to make this public knowledge, so when Sweden innocently declared war on Zimbabwe, we were put in a difficult position. We declared an ultimatum: leave Zimbabwe immediately, or England would see to it that Norway is returned to Sweden. Fortunately, we were able to come to an agreement, and with the exchange of 300 ducats in compensation for Swedish war efforts, acceptance of Swedish claims on Shanghai, and the offering of military access to Sweden, the issue was defused.
In the early 1610s, Genoa was partitioned between the various members of the Coalition. Peninsular Italy went to France and Corsica went to England (we then promptly released them as vassals).
It was well-known that France would be intending a war on Spain, and in 1618 they acquired a weak excuse to do so -- the loss of a trading post in Arizona to the Treaty of Tordesillas. In the fall of 1618, the Channel Coalition declared war on Spain and Portugal.
The story of the continental war shall be left for others to tell -- apart from two failed invasions at Gibraltar and at Murcia, we had no activity there.
We had split our forces into three parts -- the Pacific fleet, the American fleet, and the European fleet. The Pacific fleet was used to ship the first invading army to California, which was then quickly captured, even as our Gibraltar army was obliterated by Spanish forces. The American fleet was to assist with the invasion of the Spanish Gulf colonies.
The situation as it was in 1621 -- Spanish California, south to Ensenada, was under English control. The Pacific fleet was used for blockading western Mexico, and for shipping troops as they were recruited in Australia. The American army was sieging Bayou, assisted by the American fleet, until a superior Spanish navy forced it to retreat to a French dock. The European fleet had just come in contact with a Spanish galley fleet, and many Spanish ships were sunk that day.
For the next few years, English efforts were concentrated on Mexico. In a gamble, the European fleet was moved from guarding the British Isles to relieving the poor American fleet, and a 25,000 man army under the command of Buckingham settled down to siege Tlaxcala as the main fleet set up a blockade. Though it had initial successes, it was defeated by a similarly sized army in the Battle of Mexico City. The Spanish army, led by Fernando de Austria, and comprised of Spain's elite troops, quickly routed Buckingham's troops. In the end, peace with Spain was made, and they were gracious enough to offer their northernmost trading post in Spanish Oregon.
The end of the session involved promoting governors throughout England and English North America, with the intent of reversing the minor economic damage caused by the war. While this first war was a draw, England now knows where she is weak and will be ready, should another war come her way.
Or; An Exciting Tale of Determination, Deceit, Deception, Devotion, Defenestration, Decapitation, and Devil-food Cake. Part the Sixth.
With the Danish annexation of the Huron Indians in 1607, England finally acquired that which it so desparately sought -- a monopoly of Manhattan trade. The opening of a center of trade in Australia also boosted English trading power throughout the world.
England, along with Spain, had promised the Danes that we accepted their claims to Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, we did not think to make this public knowledge, so when Sweden innocently declared war on Zimbabwe, we were put in a difficult position. We declared an ultimatum: leave Zimbabwe immediately, or England would see to it that Norway is returned to Sweden. Fortunately, we were able to come to an agreement, and with the exchange of 300 ducats in compensation for Swedish war efforts, acceptance of Swedish claims on Shanghai, and the offering of military access to Sweden, the issue was defused.
In the early 1610s, Genoa was partitioned between the various members of the Coalition. Peninsular Italy went to France and Corsica went to England (we then promptly released them as vassals).
It was well-known that France would be intending a war on Spain, and in 1618 they acquired a weak excuse to do so -- the loss of a trading post in Arizona to the Treaty of Tordesillas. In the fall of 1618, the Channel Coalition declared war on Spain and Portugal.
The story of the continental war shall be left for others to tell -- apart from two failed invasions at Gibraltar and at Murcia, we had no activity there.
We had split our forces into three parts -- the Pacific fleet, the American fleet, and the European fleet. The Pacific fleet was used to ship the first invading army to California, which was then quickly captured, even as our Gibraltar army was obliterated by Spanish forces. The American fleet was to assist with the invasion of the Spanish Gulf colonies.
The situation as it was in 1621 -- Spanish California, south to Ensenada, was under English control. The Pacific fleet was used for blockading western Mexico, and for shipping troops as they were recruited in Australia. The American army was sieging Bayou, assisted by the American fleet, until a superior Spanish navy forced it to retreat to a French dock. The European fleet had just come in contact with a Spanish galley fleet, and many Spanish ships were sunk that day.
For the next few years, English efforts were concentrated on Mexico. In a gamble, the European fleet was moved from guarding the British Isles to relieving the poor American fleet, and a 25,000 man army under the command of Buckingham settled down to siege Tlaxcala as the main fleet set up a blockade. Though it had initial successes, it was defeated by a similarly sized army in the Battle of Mexico City. The Spanish army, led by Fernando de Austria, and comprised of Spain's elite troops, quickly routed Buckingham's troops. In the end, peace with Spain was made, and they were gracious enough to offer their northernmost trading post in Spanish Oregon.
The end of the session involved promoting governors throughout England and English North America, with the intent of reversing the minor economic damage caused by the war. While this first war was a draw, England now knows where she is weak and will be ready, should another war come her way.