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Mike-- Was that the same war? Or was the Poland, Ottoman Empire vs. Russia a seperate war?

Satan-- I created them during World War One.;)

If anyone else has other changes, feel free to post them. :)
 

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As to the situation in Bradenburg;

France does not wish to see the east explode again. Peace has been established, and peace should remain.

That said, France completly stands behind her ally, the Netherlands in their stand against Poland. The warmongering Poles seem to understand only one thing: force. If force is what it takes to stop them, then force, by God, is what they'll get.

Yours,
Regent Kleves, Minister of Foreign Affairs, on Behalf of the King of France
 
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One thing to france.

Where was the Will when Russia was nearly chopped on a block and Austria was divided by Poland/OE/& FRANCE!?

Quite frankly, Bradenburg isn't a French Affair... You are still in Tirol? Why not leave that, I don't think that many of us Easterners are to happy with that corridor to Eastern Europe! France is a Western Power... An Italian Power as well... She has chose that side of the fence and should remain out of German affairs...
 

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Originally posted by Count Drew
One thing to france.

Where was the Will when Russia was nearly chopped on a block and Austria was divided by Poland/OE/& FRANCE!?

Quite frankly, Bradenburg isn't a French Affair... You are still in Tirol? Why not leave that, I don't think that many of us Easterners are to happy with that corridor to Eastern Europe! France is a Western Power... An Italian Power as well... She has chose that side of the fence and should remain out of German affairs...

No, but it is a Dutch affair, and we very much appreciate the backing of our friends in France as Poland creeps inexorably towards our borders.

As to French actions in Austria, the Netherlands certainly disapproves, but notes that they were far from the worst offenders there.
 

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In pursuing yet another war with Sweden, Denmark hoped merely to regain some footing in Scandinavia and have some hope of competing with Sweden. This was not to be.

Despite some initial Danish success, Sweden was, once again, funded by a foreign power. This puzzled the Danish monarch, above all things; for surely Sweden already had the upper hand with its large navy and superior tactical leadership. More importantly, the identity of this nation was none other than Spain, Denmark's erstwhile supporter. If the Spanish were opposed to the dismemberment of Russia, perhaps it would have been in that country's interests to fund the Russians themselves. The Swedes, of course, were too busy pursuing conquest in Scandinavia to help their ally.
Perhaps this uphill struggle would not have been as such if various promises of support, tacit and otherwise, had not fallen through. Perhaps a very difficult situation would not have ended in disaster if the Netherlands and France had not taken it upon themselves to annihilate the Danish fleet and capture all of their remaining provinces so that no reinforcements could be sent to Scandinavia. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
What happened is thus: Denmark was forced to cede money and most of what remained of Norway to Sweden (the rest was purchased later). Denmark was further forced to cede Bremen to the Netherlands, which made no sense at all, and proved only that the Dutch, like their French patrons, were greedy opportunists.
After the disastrous conclusion of the war and yet more hollow promises of support from the Concert of Europe, Denmark largely withdrew from international politics and, instead, obtained maps of the world from England and began constructing a small overseas empire.
 

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Though we are not eager to see another war in our region, we find no real reason to oppose it. The ministries of the Netherlands and Sweden are overreacting. Brandenburg has not been a major player in the Concert of Europe for some time. A conquest of that country by a foreign power will in no way upset the balance of power in Germany. On the contrary, it may bring some stability to a part of the world that is constantly at odds with itself. Polish claims to Brandenburg may be somewhat tenuous, but regardless, the protesting nations have made acquisitions of much more tenuous claims, and so have no right to protest at all.
 

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Excuse us, but the Netherlands' claim on Bremen was well established. That provinces had been part of Friesland much longer than Mecklenburg was part of Denmark. The fact that Denmark stole the provinces by occupying it during an inherritence event notwithstanding.

We probably could have let that slide, but the Netherlands took a major hit to intercede in the war against Russia that Denmark initiated (though we accept that they might have been a pawn in that affair), and wanted some form of compensation. Bremen was a very small compensation, and any reasonable person would admit that in previous wars the losers had conceded much larger and richer territories.

Brandenburg on the other hand is a nation that has been nothing but friendly to Poland, and the unprovoked attack against such a nation (player controlled or not), is not something we can easily abide. Again, large scale annexations of German minors will not be tolerated.
 

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I won't survive another War. So I will withdrawl my aggressive stance<unless financed?> Humbly Austria
 
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Reading through this has made for interesting reading, sounds like a good game. I'll have to stay up late one night and have a look in if possible. Keep up the good work.

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Originally posted by satan
Excuse us, but the Netherlands' claim on Bremen was well established. That provinces had been part of Friesland much longer than Mecklenburg was part of Denmark. The fact that Denmark stole the provinces by occupying it during an inherritence event notwithstanding.
When the current foreign minister had taken his office, Mecklenburg had been a part of Denmark for some time. Bremen was then a free country, later military-annexed by Friesland. Furthermore, I fail to see any legitimate claims in a non-culture, non-core, wrong religion province that you had never previously owned.
We probably could have let that slide, but the Netherlands took a major hit to intercede in the war against Russia that Denmark initiated (though we accept that they might have been a pawn in that affair), and wanted some form of compensation. Bremen was a very small compensation, and any reasonable person would admit that in previous wars the losers had conceded much larger and richer territories.
Denmark gained nothing.
Brandenburg on the other hand is a nation that has been nothing but friendly to Poland, and the unprovoked attack against such a nation (player controlled or not), is not something we can easily abide. Again, large scale annexations of German minors will not be tolerated.
Denmark was on very friendly terms with Bremen before it was military-annexed by Friesland, and you hold two other German provinces besides, no doubt acquired in a similar fashion. Does this give us a right to attack you?
 

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The Ottoman Empire 1577-1607

The Past 30 years have been an interesting season for The Empire.
Plans had been made with our Polish neighbours to do something about the ever expanding Russian Beomoth to the North before they became too large and dominating. A more powerful Poland was the desired outcome to maintain some balance in the East.

Diplomatically, The Kingdom of the Poles and The Empire were well set. The King of France had recently signed The Treaty of Krakcow which had a hidden clause in which The King of the Poles and The Sultan would diplomatically support French Western ambitions whilst The Good King of France would support our Eastern ambitions. Another clause was a 4 month notice of war.

With our Diplomatic front supposedly secured The Poles, Danes, and Empire troops readied for war. The King of France via a Royal relationship in the court of the Tsar sent a message to our field commanders that there wasn't a Russian army to be seen anywhere. Apparently the main Russian army was in the East paving the way to Siberia. Assuming then that the French were well aware of our plan, the alliance members forgot to give the 4 month heads up.

On a nice sunny day after the winter storms had abated, Ottoman, Polish, and Danish troops crossed the frontiers. Denmark into Sweden and Poles and Turks into Russia.

The Polish and Ottoman armies had success on every front and much of Heartland Russia was overrun in a series of successful battles and sieges. The only front were our forces did not have success was on the diplomatic front. Expecting backing from our French friends Poland apparently asked for "too much". The Sultan is still unaware of what was exactly claimed by our Polish neighbours. For The Empire's part, The Sultan asked for 3 provinces including the lucrative centre of trade in the South of Russia. This was still much less than The Ottoman war score.

These offers were refused despite the instability that these offers caused. Apparently treasure from the West was flowing into the Russian coffers in an attempt to back the Tsar. The Sultan was busy fighting and enlarged Russian army which interesting enough discarded their old Pikes and pitchforks halfway through the campaign and began to fight with Muskets and other instruments of modern warfare.
The King of the Poles, as leader of the alliance, conducted the diplomatic war but the West was relentless in supporting the future Beomoth and Spain declared war upon The Empire followed by the Dutch declaring war, with their French and English allies, upon Poland. Austria also declared war upon Poland as well.

The Sultan is still not too sure what happened to the fine Polish armies. Busy fighting Spain in our home seas and then in Thrace itself The Sultan wasn't keeping abreast of the latest war news from the North. The next time he gazed northward, the Polish armies had disappeared to be replaced by forces of The Dutch, English, Austrians, and ....... The French :confused: !!

The Sultan was deeply disappointed in seeing French troops in Poland in complete and utter violation of our treaty of friendship and support. Seizing upon a technicality The French joined the war in support of their allies, this was somewhat acceptable, but to actually see French troops besieging Polish cities.......

A large Ottoman army was sent northward into Poland to even out the situation, while another maintained peace on the Austrian front. A third was Russia while another had gathered to throw the Spanish back into the ocean when a White Peace all around was agreed to.

After the general peace in Europe, The Empire, in a bid to aid our Austrian neighbours, continued the war with Austria and Hungary. An arrangement was made with The Emperor in which provinces were liberated from Hungary and given to the Habsburg family. The war dragged on and on and on while The Sultan waited for the Austrians to finish besieging Ansbach. Finally they gave up and peace was declared. Maygar was given to Austria with a promise of more provinces to be handed over in the future.

After this great war, The Empire slumbered in peace. The Sultan rebuilt the economy, disbanded most of the army, and focused on Harem issues.

He emerged long enough to break the alliance with Poland and to form his own alliance with his vassals in Persia, Dulkadir, and Crimea. Four wars in support of our allies with nothing to show from it except high inflation was enough. The Empire desires peace.

The Sultan (Dave)
 

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Originally posted by Calanctus
When the current foreign minister had taken his office, Mecklenburg had been a part of Denmark for some time. Bremen was then a free country, later military-annexed by Friesland. Furthermore, I fail to see any legitimate claims in a non-culture, non-core, wrong religion province that you had never previously owned.

Denmark gained nothing.

Denmark was on very friendly terms with Bremen before it was military-annexed by Friesland, and you hold two other German provinces besides, no doubt acquired in a similar fashion. Does this give us a right to attack you?

Sure, if you wanted. The point is that without Danish interference Bremen would be part of the Netherlands. That is clear and obvious. The province is neither culture or core for you either. As such, taking it in the peace terms was exceedingly mild when we could have also taken Mecklenburg and/or Holstein or even some of the high manpower scandinavian provinces.
 

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Ohhh, I am a Corporal now.

A side note to Austria----Our alliance head should not wobble from belligerence to pacifism------- stride the world stage, carpe diem, get a grip, ride with the Valkyries, etc.,etc.

Observe Poland's example. How brilliant and audacious was it to set up a coalition to crush first Austria, and then set up another to crush Russia, both so early in the game. He succeeded with Austria and very nearly succeeded with Russia, and his failure was through no fault of his own. He may yet succumb to Poland's traditional fate, but he came within a hair's breadth of making Poland THE major power in the east, destroying both Austria and Russia, and that is certainly impressive.
 

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You always do this, don´t you?:)

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Ok manitou, I added that in. :)

To Austria, true it is not a French affair, but it is a matter that our allies wish to settle, and France wishes to support her allies.

It seems that Austria has taken a 180, and completly changed their position on this issue. Makes the King of France wonder whos influence you are under...