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Jarkko Suvinen said:
Let say, you are any nation and you see good old Portugal hyperteching (as usual) and racking a lot of income. So basically winning the game in hypertechign terms. How difficult could be, well, invade their lands and well stop the hypertech. I doubt that could make a logn war.
In any scenario when hyperteching is rewarded, but not all got the same opportunities to hypertech are open to all (there are some countries better to that than others), if you are a 'small chances to hypertech country' what do you do? Try to achieve the no one can hypertech -a high inflation scenario for example, you DOW anyone who is hyperteching and so on.
Hyperteching works in our usual games only because hyperteching countries are usually not attacked a lot. I doubt that could happen there. In an normal game, people don't regard hypertechers as a threat. But in this kind of game, they could be a threat, *the* threat. I could think that the land grabber could precisely grab land of the hyper techer.
Jarkko Suvinen said:
Not sure about that. The game I hyperteched the most -Portugal in some Unleashed-, I think I was in only one player war all game (and that was kind of disappointing, since I wanted to finish the game without any war). The thing is, it was a very active game in diplomatic terms: managing England and NL against each other means a lot of diplomatic work. Not a solo game under any circumstances.
arcorelli said:
Not to be rude, but I would damn sure prefer a Portugal that does wage wars more over a Portugal that does not. Even if it's a Portugal that interacts a lot with people. Waging war is the best form of interaction
A hyperteching country is always less fun for the other players. (not necessary for the one who hypertechs
). Again IMO.That said, I of course prefer a hypertecher over a lame ass, but a perfect campaign would be with reasonable people, with no hyper techers at all.
EDIT: and yes, I know that I have had periods with less wars too
FAL said:Not to be rude, but I would damn sure prefer a Portugal that does wage wars more over a Portugal that does not. Even if it's a Portugal that interacts a lot with people. Waging war is the best form of interaction
I only was saying that is not true that hypertechers do not interact (in other words, that they are playing SP).
They don't fight and that is a different thing. That making war is the best form of interaction is another issue.
(And damn ungrateful austrian, I sent lots to the ducats for the Archduke to fight his wars and then they complain about poor Portugal hypterteching
)
FAL said:
Well I'd rank Wyvern as an allround splendid player, not as a specialist in any field... I have only played with him in one game though (that I can remember, at least), so I could of course be mistaken.
[size=-5]*like Hive..and Hoggy
Pfft. I resent that.
Jarkko Suvinen said:
Indeed. This brings back my memory to the time Slargos and I decided to start a Fantasia game (which, imo, is the best setting for such a "competition" game). Almost right of the bat, my dear neighbour, HolisticDog, decided to try and annex me. The war was long and brutal, but I eventually kicked the bastard out.
Anyway, my point is that while we wasted lots of precious time and cash on this big war, the other nations were a large step ahead of us in colonization. Lesson learned: war is not worth it as long as you can expand in non-player areas - which confirms what Jarkko says.
Is this thread about Hyperteching? - No!
Is it about starting "MP tournaments"? - No!
Is it about rating MP players? - YES!
Is it about starting "MP tournaments"? - No!
Is it about rating MP players? - YES!
Fredrik82 said:Is this thread about Hyperteching? - No!
Is it about starting "MP tournaments"? - No!
Is it about rating MP players? - YES!
i agree start ranking people ! and make a seperate thread if you insist on cntiniung the discussion for mp tournaments or hyperteching
well i think we need to give out an ETERNAL N00B prize! imo it's quite clear who it should go to..
Seen!
then i have some heroes i always have fun with!
Hive (great player =) )
Arcorelli (A great man who lives far away)
Devil ( economical mastermind? )
Fredrik (a good host so i have to mention him... )
I have only played with these guys a few times but they are very vital for the EU2 community IMO .
Seen!
then i have some heroes i always have fun with!
Hive (great player =) )
Arcorelli (A great man who lives far away)
Devil ( economical mastermind? )
Fredrik (a good host so i have to mention him...
)I have only played with these guys a few times but they are very vital for the EU2 community IMO .
Warlord: Prinz Eugene
Warmonger: Prinz Eugene, King John
Diplomat: Drake(some special charm about him), Devil
Economist: Drake, Devil, Duma, Count Drew
Sex machine: Definatly Adam Breit and Juv
Best All Around: Prinz Eugene, Drake, Juv and El Diablo (Devil)
Warmonger: Prinz Eugene, King John
Diplomat: Drake(some special charm about him
), DevilEconomist: Drake, Devil, Duma, Count Drew
Sex machine: Definatly Adam Breit and Juv
Best All Around: Prinz Eugene, Drake, Juv and El Diablo (Devil)
It really is harder and harder these days to say who is best in any particular field. Damocles was a great warlord but lacked in diplomacy, but these days I think there are lots of players up to his standards and even in the old days players like RedPhoenix were just as good.
Archduke in my experience is definately the most devious, Peter E. the best allround player (and perhaps the best diplomat). Barnius is also a great diplomat, or at least a very fun one to deal with, and a very good economist too - he's just too peaceful though!
It's a fun thread to read but really impossible to come up with clear winners in any fields.
Archduke in my experience is definately the most devious, Peter E. the best allround player (and perhaps the best diplomat). Barnius is also a great diplomat, or at least a very fun one to deal with, and a very good economist too - he's just too peaceful though!
It's a fun thread to read but really impossible to come up with clear winners in any fields
.
Wyvern said:It really is harder and harder these days to say who is best in any particular field. Damocles was a great warlord but lacked in diplomacy, but these days I think there are lots of players up to his standards and even in the old days players like RedPhoenix were just as good.
Archduke in my experience is definately the most devious, Peter E. the best allround player (and perhaps the best diplomat). Barnius is also a great diplomat, or at least a very fun one to deal with, and a very good economist too - he's just too peaceful though!
It's a fun thread to read but really impossible to come up with clear winners in any fields
Precisely, now adays the rest of the crew has come up to Par. I would like to see these old Guns face the New Ones, if they've lost their edge too? I'll betcha that the old Guns aren't as fast. Wild Bills being replaced by Billy the Kids
One Comment on Hyperteching:
It's only possible in an enviroment with no competition. War cuts hyperteching, War settles the monotous boredom of Session in...Session out... War is the flavor of Eu2, and without it you mine as well play Civ3 set for Economic & Culture Victory and goto sleep
Now as far as using Tech/Trade/VPs as a means to an Ends quite a different story. I tell you, any of you hypertechers or Economic fellows want to, I'll give you France and I'll take Austria and I'll Vassalize you and take half your income while you're trying to hit Trade 8 and I'm at Land Tech 18 vs your LT 10
That's just it, people don't understand that War must balance, Aggression is good and that pure 100% Economic Players bunched like Panties will only make a slow paced Napoleonic Race.....That's why these games seem so predictable.. Anyone played with me, knows I'm Aiming to hit your Arse b4 you ever touch the higher Infras and Trade Techs. I'll take half your land in that time and cash in on the Tax and nearly match your Infra-Trade and still have a LT advantage...get my Allies HyperTechers to take your CoTs... See the glory of Mixing the proper amount of War/Politics/Economics... a Truly balanced King of the Game
Who is that Fella Hell lately there are several
It's only possible in an enviroment with no competition. War cuts hyperteching, War settles the monotous boredom of Session in...Session out... War is the flavor of Eu2, and without it you mine as well play Civ3 set for Economic & Culture Victory and goto sleep
Now as far as using Tech/Trade/VPs as a means to an Ends
quite a different story. I tell you, any of you hypertechers or Economic fellows want to, I'll give you France and I'll take Austria and I'll Vassalize you and take half your income while you're trying to hit Trade 8 and I'm at Land Tech 18 vs your LT 10That's just it, people don't understand that War must balance, Aggression is good and that pure 100% Economic Players bunched like Panties will only make a slow paced Napoleonic Race.....That's why these games seem so predictable.. Anyone played with me, knows I'm Aiming to hit your Arse b4 you ever touch the higher Infras and Trade Techs. I'll take half your land in that time and cash in on the Tax and nearly match your Infra-Trade and still have a LT advantage
...get my Allies HyperTechers to take your CoTs... See the glory of Mixing the proper amount of War/Politics/Economics... a Truly balanced King of the GameWho is that Fella
Hell lately there are several
Count Drew said:One Comment on Hyperteching:
It's only possible in an enviroment with no competition. War cuts hyperteching, War settles the monotous boredom of Session in...Session out... War is the flavor of Eu2, and without it you mine as well play Civ3 set for Economic & Culture Victory and goto sleep
Now as far as using Tech/Trade/VPs as a means to an Ends
That's just it, people don't understand that War must balance, Aggression is good and that pure 100% Economic Players bunched like Panties will only make a slow paced Napoleonic Race.....That's why these games seem so predictable.. Anyone played with me, knows I'm Aiming to hit your Arse b4 you ever touch the higher Infras and Trade Techs. I'll take half your land in that time and cash in on the Tax and nearly match your Infra-Trade and still have a LT advantage
Who is that Fella
Diplomacy, Maximizing Economics, And an occasional good war (one every 10 years) is my thrill.
Tem_Probe said:
You know what was scary to see. When I was invaded by John as England, John as France and Dyno as Sweden. I was able to crush the invasion force, and force John to retreat out of England. I thought I caught Villiar's on the English coast, but without pausing, John was able to split his army up and have a small cavalry unit under Villiar's retreat to some waiting ship's and then escape to the French coast. I ended up wiping out that French army with Vauban in it, but I was shocked to realize that Villiar's lived. That is some unbelievable micro-managing and John regularly does this in any war's he's in. He will keep his cavalry in reserve split up so his infantry will absorb the fire phase and then he would unleash his cavalry linking up with his infantry and hit the enemy army with them during the shock phase.
How many player's do you know who will micro their war's like this? Not many I would hazzard.
At least im mentioned...thats something...i think ...azid said:well i think we need to give out an ETERNAL N00B prize! imo it's quite clear who it should go to..
Seen!
then i have some heroes i always have fun with!
Hive (great player =) )
Arcorelli (A great man who lives far away)
Devil ( economical mastermind? )
Fredrik (a good host so i have to mention him...
I have only played with these guys a few times but they are very vital for the EU2 community IMO .
(PS: I guess you dont need my help in unleashed then...a well, cheaper for me
)
i ve played with Seen,anyway
i m far from considering him a noob : he is good!!
and then,is very bad to judge others ppl in this manner
i thought people play for fun,not for skills or glory
lol
i m far from considering him a noob : he is good!!
and then,is very bad to judge others ppl in this manner
i thought people play for fun,not for skills or glory
lol
Er. They're just winding him up Dago, because he insists on still calling himself a newbie.Dago said:
I remember when he really was.
I remeber that little manuever. I was supporting the French and Swedish Factions in that War at least in principle. I was shocked about how get ran off that little Island with a couple thousand cav as well with his Star Qtr BackDuma said:
Owen said:Er. They're just winding him up Dago, because he insists on still calling himself a newbie.
I remember when he really was.
ahh...ops
ok
sorry,i didnt know it