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I never really wanted to write this post, as I'm very forgiving, very patient, and I've been standing behind this company for a very long time, but seriously you are losing a customer. Now, I won't talk about you guys making games with passion, etc, etc... because to be fair you have a monopoly on the grand strategy market. Maybe that's why your products are often so broken on release. You have the room and possibilities to make a lot of mistakes, because people (like myself) will buy your products anyway, simply because there is no better alternative. Damn you.

Seriously Paradox, I appreciate you make interesting games. I buy your products, and own all the DLCs for CK2, Europa, and intend to purchase them for HOI as well. I have pumped a lot of money into your products, mainly because, well, they are good products... however, I feel with every expansion you've been breaking the game more than it should. A friend of mine even compared your games to a "subscription" model, where you make DLCs that once you see, you really don't want to play without them, hence you just go and buy it (although it's a hefty price... and I thought that map packs for COD were a joke in price...).

We've seen CK expanding. That's great. I bought it on pre-order, and saw how it looked then. Today, the game has changed massively, and it's great you continue to support it. What's not great however is that you're breaking it at the same time. Every time we see a step forward, we also see a step back. Performance, Multiplayer... CHRIST your MINIMUM SPECS for the game went UP. That must have pissed a lot of people off. Before you say..."Well, if you didn't have problems before expansion XYZ why don't you go back and play that?". It's great you give me the option to revert to older versions of the game. But I paid for those expansions, I expect them to work.

I know CK is single-player focused. That's cool, but you still gave it a multiplayer feature. As a company, if you do something "official" it's your responsibility to actually sell a product that works. CK2 does not have "multiplayer beta" that "might or might not work" (Empire Total War did that with their campaigns. It messed up 90% of the time, but it was cool, it was an EXTRA feature that came out after the game was released. Ages after). On the steam page, you have "MULTIPLAYER" written on it. That means it should work. Well, here's some news: it doesn't.

Now, I get that the game might not be easy to fix. That's cool... It's not easy, I understand that. But does that mean you won't fix it? Does that mean, it's not profitable enough? Well, is it profitable for me as a customer to pay for stuff that's broken then?

Now... as I said, owning all DLCs which I have paid 165.23 GBP for (all purchased on release) AND the game was around 39.99 GBP in pre-order. That means I paid roughly 205.22 pounds for something that is half broken. What is this? Train Simulator? Costs pretty much the same... Well, single-player works, great. Multiplayer doesn't. Does that mean you will refund me half of what I paid? Um, somehow I don't think so. Crap guys, I have the CK2 t-shirt (2 of them) and a mouse pad. I love you guys, I watch your streams, and I don't think I've ever complained about you. I always said "That paradox company! Great guys they are!". Do you know how frustrated I must be to write this?

It's not a "on-a-spot" rant that I just decided to write because I got a multiplayer desync. It's something that's been accumulating over time. Yes, I've abided by your guidelines (forwarded ports, waiting half a minute before session start etc. etc.). With every DLC you release something breaks, and the game becomes unstable. So my question to you is this: ARE YOU GOING TO FIX MULTIPLAYER, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE GAME AS IT SAYS ON THE STEAM STORE PAGE, or have I made a mistake in trusting you to deliver a good and working product?

Again, I do love you, but seriously. I'm really, really angry.
Peace.
 
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I don't really think a dev is going to trot out and answer your Yes or No question. The patch is in a few days, maybe you will have some visible improvements then.
 

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I don't really think a dev is going to trot out and answer your Yes or No question. The patch is in a few days, maybe you will have some visible improvements then.

To be honest, I'm not really expecting them to... that would be too good. However, I'm just hoping a dev will see my post, and at least consider the fact that if a customer that never complained about pretty much anything decided to write a post like this, something is obviously not quite right. Also, I don't mean to offend any individual in this. A team worked on this, and something, somewhere messed up. Maybe it was too little time that was given to the team, or something the programmers omitted... I don't know, I don't work there. But I beleive management should allocate enough resources to fix something so broken.
 

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I get your frustration. CK2 mp has been unreliable for a long time. There are also bugs that you can only encounter if you play MP due to desync issues. I've played with one person using LAN connection (in other words, minimal ping), with or without DLC activated, and these problems remain.

Unfortunately, the poor multiplayer in CK2 is a reminder of just how old the game actually is.

Paradox Studios never really designed a good multiplayer system until EU4. My layman speculation is that games like CK2 being released before EU4, did not have the benefit of being designed around steam multiplayer system like the later games which were all steam-only.

As such, I'm doubtful that we will ever see improvements in CK2 MP that will match that of the later games. I would guess that it would require some drastic development to see that happen, and considering how long the game has been out, it would seem like the devs have essentially given up on trying to optimize it, and is fine with having a barely functional skeleton of a multiplayer.

Still though, the upcoming patch is said to optomize the general game performance quite a bit, so possibly, that may help MP reliability issues. But I wouldn't hold my breathe.
 

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I get your frustration. CK2 mp has been unreliable for a long time. There are also bugs that you can only encounter if you play MP due to desync issues. I've played with one person using LAN connection (in other words, minimal ping), with or without DLC activated, and these problems remain.

Unfortunately, the poor multiplayer in CK2 is a reminder of just how old the game actually is.

Paradox Studios never really designed a good multiplayer system until EU4. My layman speculation is that games like CK2 being released before EU4, did not have the benefit of being designed around steam multiplayer system like the later games which were all steam-only.

As such, I'm doubtful that we will ever see improvements in CK2 MP that will match that of the later games. I would guess that it would require some drastic development to see that happen, and considering how long the game has been out, it would seem like the devs have essentially given up on trying to optimize it, and is fine with having a barely functional skeleton of a multiplayer.

Still though, the upcoming patch is said to have drastic optimization to general game performance, so possibly, that may help MP reliability issues. But I wouldn't hold my breathe.

I disagree. Both Victoria 2 and EU 3 have very good, functional multiplayer. Never had a problem with those, and I play vicky quite a lot, just like I used to play EU3. Current policy is unacceptable.