Moving from Europe to America?

[Trololord]

Hey, guys, I have a question to ask:

I am playing Ireland (Got Leinster and formed Ireland from scratch), a poor country which can not sustain 100% colonial growth of TWO colonies without taking over .5 inflation an year. I am constantly threatened by England (which might get completely annexed by Scotland in the next war though ^^) and now by Portugal, because a Portugheze monarch died and it resulted in me leading a Personal Union with Portugal. They spammed me with insults and now that the union is over they declared war on me and I hardly managed to make peace without losing any province.

Ayways, back to my topic: I do not like my position in Europe and nobody, absolutely nobody would ally or even marry me. There is no way I could expand or even survive in Europe. That's why I need to expand to America. I changed Military Drill for Quest for the New World for the -3 stability cost and established colonies in the 2 Greenland provinces. I might have to wait for them to core before being able to colonize America, because America is too far away. I'm talking about North America, of course. I would most certainly be unable to carry a war with any American native, for my economy is too undeveloped. My only hope is achieving a high income from colonies. I will have many more provinces in America than I have in Europe.

That's why I was wondering: Can I move my capital to North America? That would make all the North-American provinces normal provinces, and the 5 sh*tty Irish provinces colonies, won't it? And I bet that a lot of American Colonies have a higher income than 5 stupid European ones. So, is there any possiblity to move my capital to America?

 

[Grubnessul]

Yes it is. Your capital cannot border any other province you own in Europe and you have to pay 1000 ducates.

 

[cacra]

You can yes, but if you can't sustain two colonies at 100% it will take a very long time to be able to afford it. Are you trading? But it is probably the best way to go as you won't have to get huge fleets to collect tarrifs. I'd probably go for somewhere in the north, as the Caribbean is on the same continent.

I would go full free trade before though to fund your colonies.

 

[Trololord]

It's year 1466. My colonies in Greenland aren't developed yet (they just hit 700 inhabitants). Something very funny just happened. England attacked me, but because they are so little, their (WHOLE!) fleet was like 6 cogs, whole mine was 5 cogs and 8 galleys. I managed to keep safe from English attacks, to crush their entire fleet and, with the help of Scotland, demand 300 ducats from the vile Englishmen! This money is enough to afford sending colonists to Greenland to get done with the colonies.
About Free Trade. I have -1 on the slider (1 Mercantilism). Until I core the provinces in Greenland, I should get like 3 or 4 Free Trade. Plutocracy is impossible to get, I'm full aristocrate. With that Free Trade I might be able to get 5 merchants in a few CoTs, hopefully in Lubeck and maybe Venezia, if my trade range is wide enough (although I highly doubt it!).
I will try trading to sustain the first North-American colonies. I will not discover North America yet, even though England (although they will disappear soon enough) and Castille got Quest for the New World, and Portugal will soon get it, but I don't want the provinces to speard automatically and them to discover North-America before I colonize it (like all of it lol). After I got like 5-10 American Colonies I'll move my capital to a nice place, conquer some natives... I like Ireland, it's better than it seems... It's much better than England or Portugal, because it's a real challenge. I reloaded the game like hundreds of times (surviving England requires extraordinary tactics, that I have to try, along with my luck), not like England when I only reload if I screw up really badly like having half an army annihilated by France. ^^

EDIT: I got Viceroys as the second idea. I think that after moving to America I should change it. National Bank might be much better when I get a richer country.

EDIT2: Greenland is on the same continent as Ireland?! The provinces pay me TAX, not TARIFF!

 

[glen55]

In the EU3 wiki there's a long suggestion for how to play Munster (Irish Munster) that way. The upshot is that, after you're prepared, you move 3 regiments to NA and conquer the Creek for much cash. A lot of the wiki, though, is outdated with the expansions, and I don't know if this strategy is still (or ever was) viable, as I haven't tried it myself.

 

[Flammehav]

In the EU3 wiki there's a long suggestion for how to play Munster (Irish Munster) that way. The upshot is that, after you're prepared, you move 3 regiments to NA and conquer the Creek for much cash. A lot of the wiki, though, is outdated with the expansions, and I don't know if this strategy is still (or ever was) viable, as I haven't tried it myself.

Did that as Norway, worked great, well exept from the fact that they had no money so i took 5 provinces instead. The only one that had money was the Zapotecs, You will probably need atleast 6 regiments to take out them tough, maybee even 8 if they ally with Maya(the Mayans had a horrible 5 shock general, combined with 5 terrain penalty and +1 for crosseing a river, I had to retreat to survive). The incas will probably have money too, the others spend their money on useless advisors. Like competechance, when they can't send merchant, beter fortification, bu they can't build fort, Better spy protection, but they don't know any other nations etc.

 

[Trololord]

I would go full free trade before though to fund your colonies.

I can't believe I was so stupid not to trade until now. With 5 merchants in Lubeck and 2 merchants in Venezia my income is higher than twice the income before

In the EU3 wiki there's a long suggestion for how to play Munster (Irish Munster) that way. The upshot is that, after you're prepared, you move 3 regiments to NA and conquer the Creek for much cash. A lot of the wiki, though, is outdated with the expansions, and I don't know if this strategy is still (or ever was) viable, as I haven't tried it myself.

Yeah, the Zapotecs/Maya/Aztecs (whatever of them conquered the other ones; Maya tends to be annexed, but it's likt 50-50 for Aztecs or Zapotecs) tend to have extremely much cash because of the gold mines. They usually have like 80%+ inflation due to excessive (useless) minting even after they conquered the other natives in Central America. I colonized with England and I had to DoW them 4 times to get all of their gold, obtaining stacks of like 1-1.5k each time.
EDIT: Just got 825 ducats from the Aztecs. Got that with 5 regiments (3 infantry and 2 cavalry) ^^

 

[king hannibal]

Yes trading is very important, and Lubeck is a lucrative CoT.

 

[Sandmann]

And you can get conquest of new world NI about like 1430 if you go free trade and research trade 7 asap then you explore the inca who always have 1k+ ducats when you reach them. use a trade and gov tech advisor they are worth gazillions.

 

[Trololord]

Another question: does the game consider Central America and North America the same continent? I robbed the Aztecs of 5k+ ducats and they have no more money, so I'm now planning to conquer them. If I move my capital to North America (Creek-Huron area), will the gold-producing Aztecs provinces (Huastec and Mexico) produce gold or they will be 2 stupid colonies with a pathetic tariff?

 

[Dutchling]

Having a land connection to your capital always makes a province give you tax instead of tariff iirc.

 

[Trololord]

Good. So I will only have to colonize all the way to Central America. Thanks.

 

[cacra]

I can't believe I was so stupid not to trade until now. With 5 merchants in Lubeck and 2 merchants in Venezia my income is higher than twice the income before

yeah, its a lifesaver for small countries.

Good. So I will only have to colonize all the way to Central America. Thanks.

So youre not going for North America?

 

[Trololord]

So youre not going for North America?

Of course I am. I have been stupid enough to establish 10-15 colonies at once and I am losing 100 ducats/year at 50% colonial growth, so I have to send colonists and get them to become cities one by one. I have conquered the Creek and the Cherokee. I am going to colonize all the North-America, at least the eastern coast until the wastelands. But I must also hurry to colonize all the way to South America so I can take advantage of the Aztec/Mayan/Zapotec lands. Especially the Aztec ones that produce gold.

Year 1520 by the way. 3/5 Irish provinces are reformed and one Greenland province is Protestant. I must keep being Catholic for the colonist bonus. It's a must. Other things... England is still on the map... funny thing, it was divided between Scotland and Castille. I wonder why I'm not overextended yet... Maybe because my leader HAD 8 adm... Now he's dead and I'm afraid that the new one (I'm in regency council now) is a moron with 4 adm and might get me overextended...

EDIT: You think I should convert or remain Catholic forever? Protenstantism seems to have some nice economical bonuses (+10% trade eff and +10% production eff)

 

[unmerged(204522)]

"distant overseas" provinces dont count towards overextension. use the regional map mode to find the border between north/south america.

 

[n0thin]

Of course I am. I have been stupid enough to establish 10-15 colonies at once and I am losing 100 ducats/year at 50% colonial growth, so I have to send colonists and get them to become cities one by one. I have conquered the Creek and the Cherokee. I am going to colonize all the North-America, at least the eastern coast until the wastelands. But I must also hurry to colonize all the way to South America so I can take advantage of the Aztec/Mayan/Zapotec lands. Especially the Aztec ones that produce gold.

Year 1520 by the way. 3/5 Irish provinces are reformed and one Greenland province is Protestant. I must keep being Catholic for the colonist bonus. It's a must. Other things... England is still on the map... funny thing, it was divided between Scotland and Castille. I wonder why I'm not overextended yet... Maybe because my leader HAD 8 adm... Now he's dead and I'm afraid that the new one (I'm in regency council now) is a moron with 4 adm and might get me overextended...

EDIT: You think I should convert or remain Catholic forever? Protenstantism seems to have some nice economical bonuses (+10% trade eff and +10% production eff)

As a colonizer either stay catholic or go reformed. Protestantism just gives 0.5 colonists a year, which is extremely bad in your case. If you are quite high innovative, convert to reformed, it gives a bit colonial growth as a nice bonus, too. If you are pretty narrowminded, stay catholic and pick up the Counter-Reformation decision.