Movement through muslims?

[Duuk]

Was it just some weird fluke, or was there a reason I wasn't able to walk through a muslim province I wasn't at war with earlier tonight?

 

[past caring]

Hmm - I was getting this with the 23/10 beta also. I definitely remember not being able to attack Navarre's vassal Braganza as it was surrounded by Muslims after Leon and Galicia fell to the Emirates.

In some senses I approve, but in other ways I think this could prove to be a real game killer unless it's possible to code in some kind of "Allow Military Access" diplomatic option as in EUII.

I do remember reading posts about the lack of reality in the previous "open access" system, but has this change appeared by accident - or was it intentional? Are the Muslims similarly restricted?

Edited to add:

Having thought about it some more - in that same 23/10 game (only progressed as far as 1128), I'm certain the Kingdom of Zirid ended up with several central European provinces in the area of modern-day Austria. As these are land-locked and surrounded by Xtians, the same restrictions can't be in place. I suppose it's just possible they got them via inheritance. though I do seem to remember a war......

 

[unmerged(6777)]

Not a change that I was aware of, and I've definitely seen Moselm armies moving through neutral Christian territory with the current patch. I'll test this and see if something's changed and then check with Johan to see if it was intentional.

 

[Caranorn]

Did you actually try to order your army into that province? I find that armies don't seem to auto plot through some muslim (or other) provinces at times. But when I order them to move into those provinces and then shift click on their original target they will move through the muslim province easily.

Marc aka Caran...

 

[The Andy-Man]

I am having the same problem with ltest beta. It won't let me move through my tribal allies land The trouble is, Cuman is getting real big now, so soon moskva will be completely surrounded.


And i also saw a muslim bohemia

 

[mario1789]

I am alt tabbing out of my game--I definately can't move an army into a neutral muslim area--via ship or otherwise. I think this is good! Like they would allow me passage...

 

[past caring]

That would be fine if the reverse were true - but it isn't.

 

[Baron Jukaga]

That would be fine if the reverse were true - but it isn't.

Indeed I quit a game in disgust today after having the Kingdom of Zirids set up their capital in Prague. I had just taken Egypt from them and hadn't noticed that they had captured Bohemia earlier. Like the King of Germany and other Christian rulers would tolerate Zirid armies marching on Prague, let alone take and govern it.

 

[Damocles]

Not a change that I was aware of, and I've definitely seen Moselm armies moving through neutral Christian territory with the current patch. I'll test this and see if something's changed and then check with Johan to see if it was intentional.

Its always been like this. And one of the things that need changing.

They only allow you passage if you're at war with other muslims or if the muslims are at war with other christians they can move through any christians.

 

[unmerged(12603)]

You can move through muslims via crusades as well, I think thats how its designed.

 

[Martinus]

I am alt tabbing out of my game--I definately can't move an army into a neutral muslim area--via ship or otherwise. I think this is good! Like they would allow me passage...

It's actually not like this, which is a pity.

You cannot move an army through a muslim territory when you are not at war with muslims - that is true. However, the problem is, if you declare war on ANY muslim country, you are free to move your armies through EVERY muslim country.

I.e. declare war on Mallorca and can move the army all over the Seljuk territory (and vice versa - Fatimids declare war on Gelre and can move across Byzantium, Germany, France, England and Papacy).