mouse lag?

[Thufir Hawat]

Hi all,

CKII runs well enough on my laptop (Toshiba Satellite A665, Win7 x64, 4 GB RAM, with Intel HD graphics), but there's a bit of an issue in that there's a slight lag (about 1/2 second or so) between moving the mouse cursor and the game recognizing the mouse has moved (by showing tooltips, highlighting buttons, etc.)...is this a performance issue or something else?

Running it fullscreen, 1366x768, trees off, vanilla 1.05g (no mods, no DLC).

 

[AndrewT]

I'm not aware anyone else has mentioned this as an issue before. Do you have any mouse enhancements active, like mouse trails or custom mouse software? You might try disabling anything like that.

 

[Thufir Hawat]

No, nothing fancy like that.

I'm using a wireless optical mouse, but that shouldn't pose a problem--I only have this delay in CKII, and like I mentioned, the actual cursor (the gauntlet-hand-finger-pointer thing) moves in time, but the game sort of lags behind it, as in it takes about a half-second to pop up the tooltips or light up a button I can press.

 

[AndrewT]

As a matter of interest, try it with a wired mouse and see if it still happens for you.

 

[JDMS]

This also happens to me on my desktop, Win7 x64, with a wired mouse.

 

[unmerged(219894)]

I have similar problem.

While scrolling with mouse, gameplay screen always freezes. So I have to press alt+tab and rejoin(not re-execution) the game.
If I use keyboard scrolling, nothing like that happens.

To solve this problem, I reinstalled everything(even OS) include the game.
At first, it was pretty okay. But if I use alt+tab once...that freezing problem happens again, even though I restart the game.

Lenovo Y460
ATI HD5650
6gb RAM
Windows 7

8.772-100831a-108908C-Lenovo
ATI Technologies Inc.
2D 8.01.01.1071
Direct3D 8.14.10.0779
OpenGL 6.14.10.10202
Catalyst™ Control Center 2010.0831.2142.37073

FYI, HOI3, SF, FTM & Victoria2, AHD was okay.

 

[AndrewT]

Is this with the vanilla game, or are you using any mods?

 

[unmerged(219894)]

Vanilla(since demo) with fully updated Windows 7(and non-steam user, bought from gamersgate).
And...oh I use wired mouse also.

Changed many graphic options even setting.txt to solve this problem myself, it was pointless.
I think this problem is related to alt+tab anyway.

Thank you.

 

[AndrewT]

In what way? Alt-tab stops the problem, or triggers it?

please post a dxdiag.txt (you can delete everything after the "Sound devices" section for brevity)

 

[unmerged(219894)]

repro : Format > Install Win 7 > Install Drivers > Windows Update > Install CK2 > Patch

And If I play the game...nothing happens and everything is okay.

But If I press alt+tab (first time) during the gameplay and rejoin the game, since then, If I use mouse scrolling, very soon screen freezes...but at that point, If I press alt+tab and rejoin game, I can play again, and so scroll again with the keyboard. (Instead of keyboard scrolling, If I use mouse scrolling again, very soon It freezes again...of course I can solve that problem by press alt+tab and rejoin the game again and again )

So actually It's not 'freeze' of whole computer...but It seems that some kind of alt+tab related graphic problem.

This might seem little weird.
But I tried many things and finally discovered that consistency.

cf. Beyond this problem, keyboard scrolling is very smooth but mouse scrolling is very laggy...

Thank you and attaching my dxdiag.txt.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 8/31/2012, 20:09:26
Machine name: SU79EU7K-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate K 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120503-2030)
Language: Korean (Regional Setting: Korean)
System Manufacturer: LENOVO
System Model: IdeaPad Y460
BIOS: Rev 1.0
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory: 6144MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 5940MB RAM
Page File: 2412MB used, 9466MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x68C1)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C1&SUBSYS_395117AA&REV_00
Display Memory: 3694 MB
Dedicated Memory: 980 MB
Shared Memory: 2714 MB
Current Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: General PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: unknown
Monitor Id: SEC3049
Native Mode: 1366 x 768(p) (60.001Hz)
Output Type: Internal
Driver Name: atiu9p64.dll,atiuxp64.dll,atiuxp64.dll,atiu9pag,atiuxpag,atiuxpag,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.dll
Driver File Version: 8.14.0001.6143 (English)
Driver Version: 8.772.0.0
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/31/2010 20:16:26, 37376 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-2B81-11CF-E563-5019A1C2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x68C1
SubSys ID: 0x395117AA
Revision ID: 0x0000
Driver Strong Name: oem6.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1:ati2mtag_Manhattan_PXAI:8.772.0.0ci\ven_1002&dev_68c1&subsys_395117aa
Rank Of Driver: 00E60001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
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D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

 

[AndrewT]

Your video driver is very old, so try the latest http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx

If that doesn't help, try using Windowed mode - edit settings.txt to say fullScreen=no