Mountain divisions superior as first line Infantry in Bolt's mod?

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In my most recent game as Germany using Bolt's mod (1.02b), I have been building all of my new mainline infantry as Mtn divisions. With the Inf movement reduced to 3, they are just too slow for my tastes. Additionally, my starting Inf have been relegated to garrison duty. The only Inf I have built were AA for beefed up garrisons, although I am considering adding some E as well. Has anyone else noticed and/or tried the same? I've yet to fight the USSR, but I've had no trouble so far...

 

[Chris8b]

Mtn

I too use some mountain infantry as you describe.

The problem is that they do not get the advantage of having as many organization increases (and perhaps other tech increases) as regular infantry do.

 

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Good questions,

I like the fact that INF is slower. It forces you to diversy what units to use in your armies

I now build more engineer infantry just to get the increased speed. I also build more mot. inf, even if it use precious oil.

If you want to be able to blizt (ie attack the flanks), you need fast army groups. And obviously, you don't have as many tanks divisions as you want

 

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Re: Mtn

Originally posted by chris8b
The problem is that they do not get the advantage of having as many organization increases (and perhaps other tech increases) as regular infantry do.

That is one of the trade offs involved. You're looking at ~10% less Org and longer build times for more IC in general. You also drop a few points on Soft Attack and Ground Defense, but gain a few points on Hard Attack. You also gain that 1 all important movement point.

Originally posted by cyclem

I now build more engineer infantry just to get the increased speed. I also build more mot. inf, even if it use precious oil.

If you want to be able to blizt (ie attack the flanks), you need fast army groups. And obviously, you don't have as many tanks divisions as you want

I see Mtn as a happy medium between Inf and Mot, and all three have their pluses.

 

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My view is/was that the specialized troops in WW2, for most armies, did not have as much heavy equipment and were valued and used for their ability to move on foot quicker than many other regular infantry units could. In fact, the Germans had a number of infantry units called "Jaeger" divisions which were similar to mountain troops but without the specialized mountain equipment. So, if you are building mountain troops to support your main line forces as the Germans, I would tend to think of these as the Jaeger formations.

 

[Norgesvenn]

Mountain troops is also a good abstraction of ski troops etc.

 

[Soapy Frog]

My personal modfication sets infantry to speed 2 and mountain to speed 3.

I may tweak this up slightly but I think 2 or 3 for infantry is definitely in the right ballpark.

Mountain units should be faster (since they are light units) but have less hitting power (which I beleive is indeed the case).

I have set motorized to speed 4, and mechanized to speed 5. Armor can be as fast as 7 (for advanced light tanks 40mm) or as slow as 3 (superheavy tanks 150mm).

As I said I am thinking of bumping everyone up by 1 movement point (and also giving marines better movement, maybe 6, solely to speed up amphibious operations, but I haven't decided if that's the best decision, really). But I wouldn't set movement rates any higher than that for sure.

 

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Bolt, a lot of German units are "Jaeger". In fact, it seems every unit besides regualar one are Jaeger (hunter).
Feldjaeger = military police
Gebirgsjaeger = mountain troops
Fallschirmjaeger = paratrooper.

About the Mountain troops, they used special guns and a lot of horses. They greatest advatage was that they could use they equipment in rough terrain.

 

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Originally posted by madner
Bolt, a lot of German units are "Jaeger". In fact, it seems every unit besides regualar one are Jaeger (hunter).
Feldjaeger = military police
Gebirgsjaeger = mountain troops
Fallschirmjaeger = paratrooper.

About the Mountain troops, they used special guns and a lot of horses. They greatest advatage was that they could use they equipment in rough terrain.

I am aware of the use of the term Jaeger in German military nomenclature.

However, there was also a class of infantry field divisions that were known simply as Jaeger divsions. There weren't many of them, about 4 IIRC, and they may have been in existence in 1939 as "Light" divisions. In 1944, there were still 4 Jaeger divsions in the Wehrmacht OOB for the eastern front. There were also some miscellaneous regiments and brigades throughout the German infantry divisions that were known as Jaeger regiments, but in most cases this was more of a historical name than reflecting any different capabilities.

I'm not talking about the term Jaeger used as an appendage for specialized units or equipment such as Panzerjaeger, Fallschirmjaeger, and so forth. The Jaeger infantry divisions/regiments/brigades are a little known bit of WW2 trivia, but they did have different TOEs and were often parts of more mobile front reserves.

 

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Originally posted by Bolt
So, if you are building mountain troops to support your main line forces as the Germans, I would tend to think of these as the Jaeger formations.

Any chance of having the text renamed then in the next Bolted? I don't mind treating the mountain units as just generally specialised infantry. Ideally you'd have your basic Jaeger units and then be able to specialise them even more through the bridge attachment options, but I guess that would require changes in code.

 

[Soapy Frog]

The Jaeger divisions were essentially mechanized/motorized mountain troops. 4 were formed in 37-38, 4 more in 42-43.

They are basically mechanized divisions with less heavy equipment, and that is probably the best way to represent them in game, though I suppose you could use a mountain division with an attached engineer brigade (to represent both the higher mobility and the added protection of the armor/halftracks).

Jaeger Divisions were fully motorized (theoretically anyway) and included a Panzer regiment, 2 mechanized/motorized regiments (later only 1), and attached engineer, recce, and artillery battalions.

Later Jaeger divisions were not as well equipped.