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Well here is a question for you; which character that you've controlled during a game has had the most tragic life to date? This is to say, whose life would you deplore living, despite the fact that he(or she) could end up as the title character is a Shakespearian play :)

Mine would have to be:

Mocar II Leofricson Earl of Northumria, Duke of Atholl and Buma

As of writing the poor man is 61 years old and has managed to bury every single one of his 6 children. Two died in child birth, admittingly, but his eldist Edric died on campaign while attepting to secure a final county needed to add a ducal title. Edric was only 19, a gifted commander, and his only son had died at the age of 2.

His second son Aethelwulf(?) was assassinated by the Duke of Leinster who also happened to be Mocar's nephew(Mocar had attempted to assassinate the Duke's brother and heir earlier in order to bring the Duchy into his own holdings).

One daughter, the wife of Henry de Normandie brother to King Gilbert I of England, died of phneumonia. Another was married to a high ranking son of the King of Norway but failed to produce any children before she herself died as well.

Mocar's wife of over 40 years BenMuma had sunk into a horrible depression as well. He also had to deal with the mania of his Father's second wife who attempted to rebuidl the tower of Babel twice(she finally died after being locked away for years)

to add insult to injury, Mocar has also seen the death of every one of his siblings save for one; his youngest brother who is one of the Bishops in his Highland holdings.

As a result he has taken to viewing his Brother Athered's children as his own and has married them prominantly and many hold important positions within the Earl's court(for instance, George is the current spy master, and another is steward).

Still, its been a long and sad life for the man, and I can't help but hope that he dies soon and leaves the Earldom to his grandson Edwin(the ONLY surviving male grandchild). O! Discordia!
 

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Arpad Arpad, Duke of Wallachia and later King of Portugal and Leon. He had two wives die in childbirth delivering their first child. He finally had two sons, and then went crusading in Spain and Portugal. He defeated the heathens, but lost three of his brothers. He eventually developed Schizophrenia, going wacko, becoming an insane crusader, and killing both of his sons. He died soon afterwards, leaving his new kingdom to a nephew of six years, who everyone tried to rebel against.
 

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I once had a game as Ulster, and my second ruler got schizo very early (some 20 years). His father has conquered half of Ireland before that, so the initial holdings were quite prominent. As soon as the new duke got nuts, all the troubles came one by one. His very good wife went depressive, and his trusted brothers followed - marshall got mad in two years, and then chancellor went depressive. Schizophrenia and other stuff spread through the court like an epidemic, leaving almost no mentally healthy people behind (not that it was a large and gifted court before, but it was a decent one). The vassals' loyalty made a grand drop, and they could only be held at bay so far as their armies were depleted. And then I got DoWed. One by one, all Irish duchies and some other people aimed to rid the world of the Cursed Madman of Ulster. The duchy was truly devastated, and the most dramatic of all was the last battle: the combined army of the duchy met the first invaders head-on, and after a fierce battle only a dozen of men was left standing, looking at more and more sails appearing over horizon, being the second wave of invasion. It was then when the Cursed Ruler recovered form his years-long mental illness only to see he has ruined everything his father has achieved and even more...
 
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The original king of Norway. I didn't play as him, but I, the duke of Trondelag, declared war on Sweden and the King, my brother died in the first battle...
 

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While not overly tragic, my country Denmark ruled by the dynasty of Kalmar Län had acquired itself a rather bad reputation in a long war where the combined forces of Norway and Sweden were defeated. The reputation was not of a great problem though, because the massive amounts of piety and prestigate the ruler had assimilated during his crusades would recover the reputation quickly. At least that was the plan. Everything looked good, but in the last battle my ruler died "of old age"...

Now his 22 year old (somewhat ill) son had to take the throne from his dead father. The most pressing issue was the bad reprutation which caused a monthly loyalty drop of around 3% for each vassal (some more, some less). "No problem" he thought; he would just go to a crusade in the holy land just like his father. However, just before war was declared on the muslims the young and promising ruler died of illness...

At this stage I was thinking thoughts I won't express due to the bad words they naturally contained. Now a 3 year old son was the leader of the dynasty; even worse he had an incredibly bad diplomacy rating. The vassals' loyalities were dropping like flies, but of course the youngster couldn't crusader because any armies would be lead by all able-bodied men left in the court. If those captured any provinces and installed themselves as counts that would not solve any trouble. Things were indeed looking grim.

Nontheless he in a moment of splendor came up with a solution. The solution was to give away the entirety of Sweden to the church. This increased piety, decreased bad boy in the long rong, and eventually saved the kingdom for now. That's what I like about CK; there is often a solution to the hardest of problems.

If you thought that was all, I just want to tell you that the whole scenario of good king dying, getting inherited by his young son and then that son dying and leaving the throne to an infant has happened a second time. I am currently also facing the fact that infant has a depression and likely will never sire any children of his. It's not a game over since there are plenty of male heirs to get around (the next one is a maniac with a stewardship rating of 1), but it really feels like a royal bloodline has died out for the first time.
 

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One of my rulers son was married to a beautiful girl, named Bethe. Sadly she died after 2 years. After looking around, he found another Berthe, and married her. However, she also died after some years. Desperately, he searched for another Berthe, but only found a 5 years old girl in his court. He couldn't marry her, but he started to stalk her, went further...., and went too far. Sadly I had to assasinate him.


P.S. OK, he also had terrible stats.
 

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My Duke of Verona, just after his wife's death, suffered depression and only some month after died by suicide. :(


Now I understand Shakespeare's interest for Verona... :D
 
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Jos Theelen said:
One of my rulers son was married to a beautiful girl, named Bethe. Sadly she died after 2 years. After looking around, he found another Berthe, and married her. However, she also died after some years. Desperately, he searched for another Berthe, but only found a 5 years old girl in his court. He couldn't marry her, but he started to stalk her, went further...., and went too far. Sadly I had to assasinate him.


P.S. OK, he also had terrible stats.

Hey! That is a fantasy!
 

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A Tragic Dynasty...

Good king Knud of Denmark went succesfully aconquering in the Baltic, desperately taking as much land as he could before the English and Polish did it. Unfortunately, Denmark was the poorer party, and Poland got most of Lithuania, England Estonia. Fortunately, he managed to snag Marienburg and parts of Latvia, and for his prestige gained he claimed and succesfully attacked Novgorod! But he was childless and his wife was old. Fortunately, he had a brother Valdemar, his only heir in the succession order. Unfortunately, Valdemar had been kidnapped by marriage into the court of the King of France and granted a county. Fortunately, a foreign agent assassinated Knud's wife...

...Knud (quickly suppressing his grief) married again... In short order, Knud had three children... Unfortunately, they were all girls. Fortunately, they liked visiting their uncle Valdemar in France, where they played with his four children, all girls, unfortunately.

Fortunately, in 1201 his wife bore him a son, establishing a succession. Unfortunately, Knud died in 1209 leaving a minor heir of 8 years with a not inconsiderable bit of BB due to certain actions against Sweden - and wiping out 600 piety. Fortunately, his minor heir (also named Knud) could play with the minor heir of his uncle Valdemar, another son born late. Knud really wanted to reduce BB, but, unfortunately, as there were no spare courtiers, that was not an option. Knud was not quite as good as his father, at 6/4/7/5, but it would have to do. Fortunately, he had 20% efficiency - it could have been worse.

Unfortunately, somebody managed to embezzle 1800 gold over the next year, impressive considering the monthly income of 29 gold (after inefficiency). This put Denmark deep in the red (apparently, embezzlers can even embezzled non-existent money) and several improvements had to be sold off to survive. It took seven years for Denmark to recover financially.

Fortunately, Knud survived to the ripe age of 16 and married immediately. He immediately began conquering Finland to be able to reduce BB. :)

Unfortunately, the Teutonic Order (which earlier had set up shop in Danish Latvia), was wiped out by the Polish, as they had turned Pagan, and immediately set up shop in the richest Danish province east of Skåne - Marienburg.

Fortunately, years of building prestige and piety buildings paid off. Knud had nearly enough prestige to claim the title King of Sweden, and his reputation was honourable again!

Unfortunately, he died only 24 year old in 1225, wiping out the prestige and piety. He was succeded by his son Botolf (5 years old). Fortunately, Botolf had several cousins, so it would not be a catastrophy for the realm if he croaked. Unfortunately, Botolf (6/3/6/3) was not as good as his father, and due to a misclick 2 years before his father's death, he had a martial education instead of a court education...

Fortunately, there were still some buildings to build for prestige, so little King Botulf began building castles financed by England, in return for trying to kill the king of England, who was mad as a hatter, schizophrenic, ill in several ways, wounded in war, and a most vile kinslayer.

Unfortunately, Louis Angevin survived more than a dozen attempts, and he had not more money to spend.... King Botulf became stressed...


.... That Dynasty is going down, down, down. :D Two regencies within a 20 year period, countless one-time-only prestige and piety lost, and an incredibly narrow family tree that 43 years after start still means that each generation is in dire straits of being the last. :)
 
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Walter Hawkwood said:
I once had a game as Ulster, and my second ruler got schizo very early (some 20 years). His father has conquered half of Ireland before that, so the initial holdings were quite prominent. As soon as the new duke got nuts, all the troubles came one by one. His very good wife went depressive, and his trusted brothers followed - marshall got mad in two years, and then chancellor went depressive. Schizophrenia and other stuff spread through the court like an epidemic, leaving almost no mentally healthy people behind (not that it was a large and gifted court before, but it was a decent one). The vassals' loyalty made a grand drop, and they could only be held at bay so far as their armies were depleted. And then I got DoWed. One by one, all Irish duchies and some other people aimed to rid the world of the Cursed Madman of Ulster. The duchy was truly devastated, and the most dramatic of all was the last battle: the combined army of the duchy met the first invaders head-on, and after a fierce battle only a dozen of men was left standing, looking at more and more sails appearing over horizon, being the second wave of invasion. It was then when the Cursed Ruler recovered form his years-long mental illness only to see he has ruined everything his father has achieved and even more...
Awesome story. :)
 

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Peter Ebbesen said:
A Tragic Dynasty...

Good king Knud of Denmark went succesfully aconquering in the Baltic, desperately taking as much land as he could before the English and Polish did it. Unfortunately, Denmark was the poorer party, and Poland got most of Lithuania, England Estonia. Fortunately, he managed to snag Marienburg and parts of Latvia, and for his prestige gained he claimed and succesfully attacked Novgorod! But he was childless and his wife was old. Fortunately, he had a brother Valdemar, his only heir in the succession order. Unfortunately, Valdemar had been kidnapped by marriage into the court of the King of France and granted a county. Fortunately, a foreign agent assassinated Knud's wife...

...Knud (quickly suppressing his grief) married again... In short order, Knud had three children... Unfortunately, they were all girls. Fortunately, they liked visiting their uncle Valdemar in France, where they played with his four children, all girls, unfortunately.

Fortunately, in 1201 his wife bore him a son, establishing a succession. Unfortunately, Knud died in 1209 leaving a minor heir of 8 years with a not inconsiderable bit of BB due to certain actions against Sweden - and wiping out 600 piety. Fortunately, his minor heir (also named Knud) could play with the minor heir of his uncle Valdemar, another son born late. Knud really wanted to reduce BB, but, unfortunately, as there were no spare courtiers, that was not an option. Knud was not quite as good as his father, at 6/4/7/5, but it would have to do. Fortunately, he had 20% efficiency - it could have been worse.

Unfortunately, somebody managed to embezzle 1800 gold over the next year, impressive considering the monthly income of 29 gold (after inefficiency). This put Denmark deep in the red (apparently, embezzlers can even embezzled non-existent money) and several improvements had to be sold off to survive. It took seven years for Denmark to recover financially.

Fortunately, Knud survived to the ripe age of 16 and married immediately. He immediately began conquering Finland to be able to reduce BB. :)

Unfortunately, the Teutonic Order (which earlier had set up shop in Danish Latvia), was wiped out by the Polish, as they had turned Pagan, and immediately set up shop in the richest Danish province east of Skåne - Marienburg.

Fortunately, years of building prestige and piety buildings paid off. Knud had nearly enough prestige to claim the title King of Sweden, and his reputation was honourable again!

Unfortunately, he died only 24 year old in 1225, wiping out the prestige and piety. He was succeded by his son Botolf (5 years old). Fortunately, Botolf had several cousins, so it would not be a catastrophy for the realm if he croaked. Unfortunately, Botolf (6/3/6/3) was not as good as his father, and due to a misclick 2 years before his father's death, he had a martial education instead of a court education...

Fortunately, there were still some buildings to build for prestige, so little King Botulf began building castles financed by England, in return for trying to kill the king of England, who was mad as a hatter, schizophrenic, ill in several ways, wounded in war, and a most vile kinslayer.

Unfortunately, Louis Angevin survived more than a dozen attempts, and he had not more money to spend.... King Botulf became stressed...


.... That Dynasty is going down, down, down. :D Two regencies within a 20 year period, countless one-time-only prestige and piety lost, and an incredibly narrow family tree that 43 years after start still means that each generation is in dire straits of being the last. :)

Fortunately it's just a game... :D
 

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As an update; Mocar decided to go out in style. Having forged claims to both the county of Dublin as well as of Mide and reaching in his 68th year, he decided to go upon one last grand crusade for the glory of Nothumbria. In the resulting war he proved himself incompitant upon the battlefield but was still able to destroy the armies of his great-nephew and gain control of Dublin; which he quickly gave away to his favored nephew George.

It was to be his final campaign. A short two years after returning from Ireland, Mocar became ill with some unknown disease. He lingered for another year before dying at the ripe age of 72. He had, during that time, seen the near destruction of the elder line of his dynasty; however his grandson Edwin had proven himself a capable ruler in his own right and the dynasty was still backed up by several other lines.

It was said that he died with a smile on his face, claiming that he would see the gates of heaven and all of his children were there to greet him.

His only wife, and love of his life, still lives at the age of 70. Her depression has passed and she is one of the cheif aids to ehr grandson.
 

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From my AAR (http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152386):

Anne de Normandie, daughter of the Duke of Normandie, a few sandwiches short of a picnic from when she was a child. Grew up and couldn't be married off until finally a Polish count proposes and she dies mysteriously a couple years later at the age of 22, right after her first and only daughter is born and then immediately dies.
 

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The Emperor of Byzantium. After continuing a huge reconquista against the muslims (Starting in 1337) launched by the emperor's father, Byzantium had reconquered Serbia, Bulgaria along with Turkey and Egypt. Alas, it would not last. The good Emperor was struck down by Bubonic Plauge in his thirties. His son would inherit at the age of 18. And, shortly after this newest Emperor's wife birthed a son, Ioannes, the Emperor caught Plague just as he father had, and died when his son was only three years old. Luckily, shortly afterwards Plague left Byzantion.

When Ioannes was 17, his wife died giving birth to their first child. Quickly he remarried, but before his wife concieved, Pneumonic Plague spread to Byzantion, and guess who caught it! Ioannes died heirless at age 23, and was inherited by a country cousin.

Of course, I consider country cousins cheap, so the dynasty's story ends there. We can assume that under Ioannes's cousin's stewardship, Byzantium was again conquered by muslims, the Roman Empire ceasing to exist entirely eventually.
 

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Alaerdus Van Zutphen - "Great Emperor"

This was during the very original portion of the game (before any of the patches....cause my game is missing a file and I can't seem to patch it...even though I bought it from Best Buy...maybe my computer is just retarded) but it still stands as the worst for me at least.
I had built up from being a count to owning all of the world, save the British Isles and Spain (I left them alone....just cause). 200 some years went in to building the worlds greatest empire and in the 12th generation, revolts started occuring, the emperor wouldn't defend himself (the game crashed everytime i tried playing as him so I had to choose a count and sit by and watch). His 14 children all died of suicide/assassination/illness before ever creating more heirs. His wife died of illness after her 14th child and the entire empire crumbled leaving him with the dukedom of Freisland, which he later lost when Englang (led by the king of England/Ireland/Scotland/Wale) swept in and forced him into servitude...he later commited suicide. The mongols invaded a bit late (1258) and swept through like a plague, but my empire was gone so i didn't really care.

I reloaded but it was still noteworthy.
:eek:
 

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From my two AARs:

Adolf "the Meek" Hohenstaufen, who ruled for over 50 years and expanded his Empire considerably, yet was unable to produce any children (fertility close to zero as I later found) and saw his Empire pass to his Italian brother.

Charles de Vermandois, Duke of Aquitaine, a misguided warrior who nonetheless started the Reconquista in Spain, yet was badly wounded in one of the battles, getting worms and pneumonia, and died a few years later forgotten by all.
 

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Playing as Duchy of Pisa I had a son whose first 5 or 6 wives died of illness or in child-birth within the first year of marriage. Lost count actually.
All the girls had really beautiful stats also. No living sons either. Well, the lad inherited, married another excellent girl and is doing really well, so this story has a happy end.
Strange, but one good side of CK is that you really grow attached to your characters...

Rgds, Oldtimer
 

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Playing as king of germany, I was struggling with rather high crusade expectations. Therefore I fought muslims a lot. After conquering lots of land in the area, I finally manage to wrest Jerusalem from the muslims. My piety immediately shoots up. So I'm thinking "yay, I've solved my piety problems, finally I can concentrate on expanding in Europe".

But exactly one day after I conquered Jerusalem, my king dies - by suicide. Of course his son has negative piety, and again I'm forced to fight the muslims. :mad:
 

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The original king of Norway. I didn't play as him, but I, the duke of Trondelag, declared war on Sweden and the King, my brother died in the first battle...

Pretty strange, I had one game where I started as the duke of Trondelag, but my duke died of old age (pretty young) two years into the game and I took over as King of Norway since he was my brother. Pretty unexpected twist there.
 

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Nothing more tragic than a king without a country. In my current game as Georgia the King of Hungary was on a roll, his country controlled large stretches of the Adriatic coast, and even large holdings in the Holy Land (this was the Third Crusade scenario.) Then came the Mongols. Boldly going to war against them, he was successful at first, but after Poland was destroyed by them he had few allies left. They mercilessly destroyed his country, leaving Hungary with only one province (in Croatia) on the Continent.

The King was forced to move his court to his possessions in Palestine, which are fairly poor and have no prospects since the Arabs have smashed the Crusader States and taken the Holy Land over. Now I get to watch as this poor guy's court gets more arabized year after year, he has no chance to go back to Hungary because Germany has taken control over all of it after driving the Mongols back. Eventually I'm sure there will be an Arab "King of Hungary" ruling over his pathetic court in Sinai and dreaming of better days...