Most Recent News on Certain Legal Issues
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And then the player's immediate reaction is to try to salvage it by any means necessary.
MAXIMUM EFFORT! /Deadpool
Why didn't HG submit the Letters Rogatory, to the Japanese Courts, before launching the suit? Not sure if they're just lazy, gaming the system, or both. Again, I say the judge should have thrown out the case once that fact became known.
Probably need an American lawyer, but my understanding from what has been said it that a letter rogatory would be issued by the US courts to the Japanese courts. That kind of stuff happens above lawyer level.
US Aussies get quite confused about the US legal system. Our own is bad enough
US Aussies get quite confused about the US legal system. Our own is bad enough
Probably legal maneuvering to drag the case out, especially if they knew they had no ground to stand on with the suit they brought forward, which the Letters Rogatory could have revealed.
I get the impression that every legal system has its own peculiarities that only make sense to lawyers.
More than likely.
One similarity though is that those with the deepest pockets usually win.
then they'd be out of business if legal language was simple and straightforward.
who do you think write the laws?.. repeat business.
I agree with the OP about the unseen,
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That said i think the game itself is great, perhaps not in vanilla format it does have a few issues but the modding community has really got it together for this game. Anyone not trying mods is doing themselves a disservice IMO. There are enough mods available you can pretty much make the game into exactly what you want.
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That said i think the game itself is great, perhaps not in vanilla format it does have a few issues but the modding community has really got it together for this game. Anyone not trying mods is doing themselves a disservice IMO. There are enough mods available you can pretty much make the game into exactly what you want.
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OP -- I think much of your frustration has an element of validity, but it's overstated and maybe a bit harsh.
I tend to write in a very snarky, unfiltered, even negative way, and I have no patience for fake sunshine or people being jerks... you should see some of the posts here before I've self-edited them to dial it back.
But for this game I've made an effort to say "This game is great, here's how I'd personally make it better and open up more options to make it great for even more players".
Many of us are frustrated by the lack of certain mechs, but that's not really HBS's fault... maybe they thought at one point that they could use them, personally I don't see a need to assume nefarious or deceptive intent. I'm betting the HBS team was just as disappointed as we are that the game had to "ship" without those mechs, and if there's any way to get them in going forward, they will.
I tend to write in a very snarky, unfiltered, even negative way, and I have no patience for fake sunshine or people being jerks... you should see some of the posts here before I've self-edited them to dial it back.
But for this game I've made an effort to say "This game is great, here's how I'd personally make it better and open up more options to make it great for even more players".
Many of us are frustrated by the lack of certain mechs, but that's not really HBS's fault... maybe they thought at one point that they could use them, personally I don't see a need to assume nefarious or deceptive intent. I'm betting the HBS team was just as disappointed as we are that the game had to "ship" without those mechs, and if there's any way to get them in going forward, they will.
I completely disagree, and I think there might be some misunderstanding of the timeline of how things were added.
At the time the Marauder was shown in the Pre-Pre-Pre-Alpha of BattleTech, there was no active lawsuit and PGI had already made and implemented those designs in MWO. Most likely HBS was confident in including the Marauder because PGI had their redesigns implemented for a while in MWO, and hadn't been sued by HG.
If I had to hypothesize...When the lawsuit was filed, it was before BattleTech was released to the public, so to play it safe, HBS removed them from the roster. Why still put them in and risk the beta be taken down or the release of the game getting pulled by a court order. A company just wouldn't put in content that was being disputed after a lawsuit over that content was being contested. It risks the title.
PGI had already added it into the title by that point, so they left it in (most likely because there was no court order filed demanding they remove them). Notice during this lawsuit that PGI still did not add any new reseens. Again, PGI also wasn't going to add contested content to their product while the suit was ongoing.
[Mod edit: don't reply, report ] When the redesigned mechs were announced and then put in the a pre-alpha, there was no lawsuit (even after PGI had it in MWO for some time). I could easily see feeling confident in adding those redesigns at that point. It was only after that demo that the lawsuit was filed. At that point, don't risk your product, the livelihood of your employees, and the desire of your fans over a few mechs.
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I know the timeline, but if anyone thinks that the company that cannot be named wasnt going to go after PGI in court then they were born yesterday because the evidence of the past several decades would indicate they will and did and have gone after every single company that has used the unseen.
Then perhaps anyone 'not born yesterday' might also understand that life is complicated and what you choose to call a 'bait and switch' others might call 'an as yet un-realized goal'.
IMO, anyone that has actual, real angst over over these mech designs is acting like they were born yesterday...
Because HG hadn't gone after PGI up to that point, and PGI had come up with their own interpretation for those affected unseens with Alex Inglesias own design queues and style. Imagery (resemblance) is the key, not the names themselves or the fact they are a mech. I think they thought there was enough alterations visually to differentiate the unseens from their reseens, and they were confident in that decision.
PGI thought the imagery was different enough to not warrant concern and there was nothing hinting at a concern for quite a while after designs were implemented. It just took HG a while to get their gears moving I suppose.
I realize that, but when has the company that cant be named ever, even once, been reasonable in the past?
Can't live your life or conduct your business under fear of what someone else MIGHT do.
My whole point isnt that it "might" happen, my point is that it was guaranteed to happen. They never once missed an opportunity to sue in the past, so why would this time be any different?
The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
IMO that exactly what happened here, insanity, they tried the same thing over again, and expected different results, even when all evidence pointed to the same thing happening. And guess what, the same thing happened.
I get what you are driving at, but we also have to look at the fact that it might have happened anyway regardless. The lawsuit was also flagging Battlemech design language in general (that was the whole case against HBS because remember, they were sued and they had no reseens in BattleTech).
To be perfectly safe, there would be no new products in the BattleTech franchise at all.
Maybe the reseens "poked" the sleeping giant, maybe it would have happened eventually regardless. Heck, even if the Marauder was released under Alex's original concept (seen below), it would have happened just because PGI used the name...who knows.
All I know is, it is all water under the bridge now, and the way things turned out, I am glad they tried.