Most Recent News on Certain Legal Issues

  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

EmptyPepsiCan

Major
10 Badges
Apr 30, 2018
544
21
  • Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • BATTLETECH
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
The Warhammer, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, and Archer are all very popular, classic 3025 mechs. I think the game will be incomplete until those 5 are added.

The Wasp and Stinger would be cannon fodder in this game, but more lights would still be welcome. I'd like to see the Valkyrie, too. It's not part of the suit, but one could reasonably argue that it's based on the Wasp, which could be why it's nowhere to be seen.

I don't know how people feel about the Longbow, but the more the merrier.

So yeah, the suit is kind of a big deal for old school BT fans.
 
Last edited:

IceTitan

First Lieutenant
29 Badges
Apr 13, 2018
243
0
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall - Revelations
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order
  • Age of Wonders III
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • Ancient Space
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Sword of the Stars
The Warhammer, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, and Archer are all very popular, classic 3025 mechs. I think the game will be incomplete until those 5 are added.

The Wasp and Stinger would be cannon fodder in this game, but more lights would still be welcome. I'd like to see the Valkyrie, too. It's not part of the suit, but one could reasonably argue that it's based on the Wasp, which could be why it's nowhere to be seen.

I don't know how people feel about the Longbow, but the more the merrier.

So yeah, the suit is kind of a big deal for old school BT fans.

Very big deal, since those are mechs we grew up with. And their Iconic from novels to board game campaigns to lore etc. You'd have to completely retcon the lore, the major merc units etc if those mechs were made unavailable.

Their the history of battletech, their the heart of the game really.
 

Clannerkiller

Colonel
15 Badges
Jun 11, 2018
855
0
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • BATTLETECH
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Sword of the Stars II
Id say Warhammer and Battlemaster were the mechs I most remember from TT play and books
 

Zeusbunnyears

First Lieutenant
Apr 29, 2018
284
0
Thanks dudes. I’ve seen the Warhammer and marauder from different MWO stills and they are pretty cool.

While I’d hate to go down what seems to be a large consensus on Clanners breaking the game, I’d love to see more chassis in the heavy and medium slots. I’ve grown particularly fond of the Warhawk.
 

EmptyPepsiCan

Major
10 Badges
Apr 30, 2018
544
21
  • Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • BATTLETECH
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
I forgot the Rifleman. Not a great mech, but what a classic design. Add that to the 5 mechs that must be present for BT to really be BT.

For example, what unit is more iconic than the Black Widow Company from Wolf's Dragoons? Look at their 3025 composition. Eleven of their twelve mechs are unseen designs that we don't have because of the lawsuit.

Black Widow Company


  • Command Lance
Cpt. Natasha Kerensky - WHM-6R Warhammer
Colin Maclaren - MAD-3R Marauder
Lynn Sheridan - CRD-3R Crusader
John Hayes - GRF-1N Griffin
  • Fire Lance
Lt. Takiro Ikeda - ARC-2R Archer
Miklos Delius - ARC-2R Archer
Nikolai Koniev - WSP-1A Wasp
Alex Ward - STG-3R Stinger
  • Recon Lance
Lt. John "Gentleman Johnny" Clavell - RFL-3N Rifleman
Piet Nichols - PXH-1K Phoenix Hawk
Simon Fraser - STG-3R Stinger
Mohammar Jahan - STG-3R Stinger

Yeah, it's a big deal.
 

Havamal

Field Marshal
Moderator
31 Badges
Jan 3, 2018
4.724
44
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Ancient Space
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • BATTLETECH
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Tyranny - Tales from the Tiers
  • Tyranny: Gold Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Stellaris
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Magicka
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Crusader Kings III Referal
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
Greetings Mechwarriors,

Remember, this is basically a News Thread.

Let's please minimize the tangential discussion.

I understand if your emotions are swirling.
Mine are too.
Let's play try to play it cool until "when".
If "when" happens, you'll "know" it. You won't have to "ask"



Thank you.
 

Camicon Dachass

Colonel
20 Badges
Feb 22, 2018
830
0
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Stellaris
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • BATTLETECH
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
So since the lawsuit is over, how long till the unseen become seen?
The short answer: no clue.

The long answer: we'll probably never get a definitive answer from PGI or HBS about the details of the agreements they made with HG. If HBS is able to add the Unseen then the first real confirmation we'll have of it will be HBS telling us as much (which will probably include an ETA). If HBS is not able to add the Unseen, we might eventually get some kind of very carefully worded "hey guys, we can't add the Unseen" message at some point in the future. All we can do is be patient and wait.
 

Pewpew!

Captain
Apr 24, 2018
348
1
Is it a coincidence that HBS buffed the ppc and large laser because they were underperforming or is HBS preparing to make certain designs that use said weapons relevant. Both? You know what designs im talking about.......
 
Last edited:

darqsyde242

Recruit
15 Badges
Feb 27, 2018
6
0
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • BATTLETECH
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
I would suspect we should have a good idea of the extent of the settlement/dismissal at or before Mechcon.

I would not expect anything for another month or so, or until Uncle Russ gets really drunk at the next QA on NGNGtv.
 

KnightCole

Colonel
2 Badges
Mar 2, 2018
823
0
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
Am I tired, or really? The links I saw on SidAlpha's video are real? The lawsuit is over and HBS/PGI won? Or are the guys making those comments being a little to optimistic?

On a random side note, Ive been waiting for the resolution of this suit before I can really bring myself to do a full playthough on this game, I so totally want my pilot's mech to be a Whammy, I've legit restarted the campaign to many times to count now, just get bored after awhile, and disheartened that we still dont have the whammy and marauder.
 

BunglingLummox

Major
2 Badges
Apr 26, 2018
765
0
  • BATTLETECH
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
are the guys making those comments being a little to optimistic?
Yes.

Anyone declaring a winner at this stage is jumping the gun. PGI and HG worked out some manner of settlement, but nobody knows the details and the court filing just requests a mutually agreed dismissal with prejudice. It's entirely possible the terms of settlement may still prevent certain mechs from going into the game. We're still at "wait and see".
 

Frabby

Corporal
Feb 23, 2018
47
0
It should perhaps be stressed that this entire lawsuit wasn't really about the unseen.
On the face of it, the claims that are going to be dismissed with prejudice are (only) those that HG made in this lawsuit (see HG's Prayer for Relief, Docket #001).

To begin with, there are no unseen BattleMechs. There are only unseen mecha images. The names, stats and lore histories of the Archer, Warhammer, Rifleman et al were created and owned by FASA; that was never in question. HBS, PGI and CGL could have included these 'Mechs in their game all right. The one thing they probably (!) couldn't legally do is for them to look like Robotech mecha.

Now HG alleged that the defendants all have made commercial use of certain Robotech mecha, and therefore defendants should be forbidden from infringing on HG's copyright and pay monetary damages to HG.
As it turned out, HG may not be in a legal position to enforce these claims, and have settled. The only known concessions the defendants made in the settlement is that they waived their potential recoup of lawyer fees and costs. HG technically achieved zero percent of their goals in the lawsuit.

I know that speculation is discouraged, but I think it's okay to voice the following thoughts:
  • Although nothing was actually decided in court, the decidedly downhill course this lawsuit apparently took for HG will be remembered. I fully expect that HG will not bring a BattleTech producer (IP owner or licensee) to court ever again now over HG's alleged rights to any unseen BattleTech art. For HG this means the repercussions extend well beyond the initial scope of the lawsuit at hand.
  • The BattleTech franchise mounted a successful defense. But they didn't gain (or even go for) any rights they didn't have beforehand. Specifically, they still don't have any rights to the unseen images they they didn't have before. Those rights remain with Big West, Studio Nue, and/or Tatsunoko. Whoever holds the rights can still deny the unseen art to BattleTech if they wish. As for HG, we don't know (and the court never decided) if HG cannot, or merely do not want to, deny those rights to BattleTech. Following the settlement, it's a moot point.
  • The lawsuit never go to the point where anyone had to consider if it had any merit. As a fan community we'll laugh at HG's comparisons for a long time to come, but from a legal standpoint we still don't know how far the envelope can be pushed. (Ye olde FASA vs. Playmates lawsuit suggests that even minor differences suffice for a mecha design to be judged sufficiently different to not infringe on copyright. By that standard, PGI,HBS and IMR should be good with a wide safety margin.)
  • The settlement agreement is confidential, so we'll never learn what it entails. Given that PGI was apparently in a much stronger position, I can easily imagine that HG simply cut their losses and thereby incidentially also the losses (in costs and lawyer fees) for PGI, which made the settlement attractive for both parties. But, being a private agreement, they could have agreed on almost anything. It remains to be seen if PGI, HBS and CGL will roll out classic 'Mechs with updated art. I certainly hope so.
 

pmaura

Captain
58 Badges
Jan 8, 2010
369
109
  • BATTLETECH
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Majesty 2
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Surviving Mars
  • BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Surviving Mars: Digital Deluxe Edition
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Deluxe edition
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Season pass
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Stellaris: Necroids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
Yes.

Anyone declaring a winner at this stage is jumping the gun. PGI and HG worked out some manner of settlement, but nobody knows the details and the court filing just requests a mutually agreed dismissal with prejudice. It's entirely possible the terms of settlement may still prevent certain mechs from going into the game. We're still at "wait and see".

I think when pg I comes out saying it's pretty dam n good news were allowed to be optimisitic.
 

Havamal

Field Marshal
Moderator
31 Badges
Jan 3, 2018
4.724
44
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Ancient Space
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • BATTLETECH
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Tyranny - Tales from the Tiers
  • Tyranny: Gold Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Stellaris
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Magicka
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Crusader Kings III Referal
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
I think when pg I comes out saying it's pretty dam n good news were allowed to be optimisitic.
Mechwarriors must use personal prerogative to interpret their own perspective, and their personal feelings are certainly fairly their own, to be determined by no one else.

However, how we publicly react to this incomplete news here should still for now please be conservative for the time being in that we should for example endeavor to avoid the likes of an avalanche of Marauder wen! posts or other such that is for now premature while we stay the course.