Morrigi Leviathan --- Should it be redesigned entirely?

[Arankor]

Maybe you should stop being so condescending? It's really annoying.

 

[ArmchairMagpie]

Here's a clue: If you have to resort to personal attacks then the debate is already lost at that point. Attack the points, not the man.

 

[RemPerry]

I would be happy to play a game long enough to even be able to build a leviathan. I can't seem to get past round 60 ish with out hitting a problem that just stops me from wanting to play the game.

I am curious if the Sol race is more bugged than the others. I have not tried to play any of the other races.

 

[Asminthe]

Anaris you're barking up a dead topic, you lost, accept it.

While I'm not particularly happy about the way either of you conducted yourselves in this thread, I don't think I'd be alone in saying that you came off much, much worse than Anaris did. The fact that you're still desperate to get the last condescending word in is, frankly, sickening. I simply could not let myself sit here and do nothing to stop you from thinking that anyone reading this thread would be in agreement with your rude, arrogant and delusional assessment of the outcome of this disgusting mess you have left all over this thread. In short: I disagree.

 

[unmerged(381341)]

This is the ugliest ship in the game when you look at it for what it is...

I disagree but it really is subjective. The thing is the developers apparently liked it and realized they can't please everyone all the time so they went with a model they like. I personally dislike the liir ship designs.. all of them. I know though they aren't going to change them for me nor 10, 30, or 100 people that may dislike them.

 

[unmerged(402700)]

Here's a clue: If you have to resort to personal attacks then the debate is already lost at that point. Attack the points, not the man.

But I'm not debating, remember? I don't do that as there's nothing to debate, I simply latch onto people of disrespectful or immature mentalities that fail to realize it and continually hit them with facts until I tire of it, the point is to show them they're not how they think. A debate... this was never a debate.

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It is definitely subjective, but I think the cheese wheel thing is fairly agreed upon.

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Asim, while you have the right to an observation and an opinion, you don't have the right to use terms incorrectly as a means to classify others. I've never even approached arrogant behavior in terms of its definition and I've definitely not been condescending unless you look at it from a perspective that ignores what is happening because "you're used to it".

Further analysis leads no credence to your statement of my being rude, rather than defensive, or of being "disgusting" when compared to a person who flat out disrespected people and fully fit such a definition. The thing about me is that I make certain to never be able to logically be classified as such things because I know what they really are.

Irregardless, I don't really care.

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The Leviathan however, the more I look at it, seems to definitely be forgoing the Morrigi style set in the first game and I think for the most part, that's been agreed upon.

 

[Agent.nihilist]

But I'm not debating, remember? I don't do that as there's nothing to debate, I simply latch onto people of disrespectful or immature mentalities that fail to realize it and continually hit them with facts until I tire of it, the point is to show them they're not how they think. A debate... this was never a debate.

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It is definitely subjective, but I think the cheese wheel thing is fairly agreed upon.

This is the text book definition of trolling. You're trying to justify it, unfortunately you are compounding it by being condescending in your rationale.

 

[unmerged(402700)]

Not true.

The definition of trolling is to indicate statements or to insinuate statements or actions or responses so as to insult or provoke others. If you actually look at my statements you'll see I just hate immaturity or disrespectful behavior and that I'm passionate about that.

 

[bumpinthenight]

Not true.

The definition of trolling is to indicate statements or to insinuate statements or actions or responses so as to insult or provoke others. If you actually look at my statements you'll see I just hate immaturity or disrespectful behavior and that I'm passionate about that.

Oh look, its the guy that didn't even buy the game trying to insist that a major element of it is crap and should be redesigned on his own whim. Won't even be bothered to register? No reason at all to take you seriously.

 

[CrazyElf]

Delsana ...


I agree that the Morrigi LV needs a ground up design, but the way this thread is going, you are in danger of alienating yourself from the community and threatening your own credibility.

I stopped trying to debate Anaris because I knew he/she was not going to be persuaded and that it would likely descend into something ... less than friendly. Anaris appears to be a very strongly opinionated person and one that when push comes to shove, is likely to shove back.

I don't think that you were being deliberate in your actions, but others clearly do.

 

[unmerged(402700)]

You think I didn't buy the game?

Because I didn't register it? Wow, lol, that's an intense assumption to make.

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Crazy, you're correct, he is... stubborn.

In any case, I will alleviate the tensions by refocusing.

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I bought the game, I won't register, call it lazy or what not, don't care. In any case, the focus of this thread is the Morrigi design and it seems to have expanded to the philosophy, culture, and design of them in general and that's fine.

My point is that by looking at the design, some significant visual characteristics are not positive factors and should be rethought. It seems some agree and some don't.

 

[unmerged(400937)]

speaking of Morrigi culture (as we weren't), is it just me or is there a female Morrigi with an axe on the loader's splashscreen art (and in the manual, where she's more clearly visible)? she seems not to have the tripartite beak.

 

[Agent.nihilist]

I bet she is a Harpie, i wonder if they don't do the beak thing, or if its just a male ritual.

 

[unmerged(400937)]

I bet she is a Harpie, i wonder if they don't do the beak thing, or if its just a male ritual.

i was under the impression (Morrigi physiology on sots.rorschach.net) the beak difference is biological, not a ritual.

i hadn't considered the harpies. are they still around? i know very little about them beyond they fought in the first Suul'ka conflicts, right?

 

[Agent.nihilist]

hmm been awhile since i brushed up on my morrigi, I 'll have to a little re-reading.

 

[s1234567890m]

You think I didn't buy the game?

Because I didn't register it? Wow, lol, that's an intense assumption to make.

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Yes, that is the general assumption

 

[unmerged(400937)]

to be fair, i haven't registered it, because this browser window and Steam are on two different computers and i can't be bothered to copy the CD key over by hand or try and access the web interface. assumptions about ownership of the game based on that are silly.


is there anywhere i can find more about the Harpies? last time i was reading the backgrounds i think they were still "the secret shame of the Morrigi".

 

[s1234567890m]

to be fair, i haven't registered it, because this browser window and Steam are on two different computers and i can't be bothered to copy the CD key over by hand or try and access the web interface. assumptions about ownership of the game based on that are silly.

is there anywhere i can find more about the Harpies? last time i was reading the backgrounds i think they were still "the secret shame of the Morrigi".

Tried the lore sub forum?

 

[s1234567890m]

The story of the Harpies is really just begun. I am not sure whether you have the Morrigi DLC, which has four biographies of Harpies, including their leader, Penthesilea Alaia? If so, you probably understand the Harpies reasonably well.

So far as the banishment went: the Harpies were used as scapegoats for the Great Shame, and the men and women who stood in judgment of them were those who had been least touched by the war. They saw the break in tradition not as an effect but as a cause of the Suuligi War, and the deaths of the Kragodai not as a heart-breaking necessity but as an evil and deliberate choice.

The Harpies were purged from society because the Morrigi wanted to purge their shame. They embraced Atreus because he gave a voice to their rage, because he offered simple and comforting answers at a time of great confusion and pain. If there was blame to be placed, let it be placed on those who fought the war so badly, who lost so many lives and still could not achieve true victory. If there was a price to be paid, let it be paid by those cursed Dustlings who dared to trespass on the stars which belonged to their betters.

The Harpies were disgusted with their people and the outcome of their trial. They left without a fight. They have their own relationship with the planets of the Morrigi empire, however. More than one planet, particularly among the new Independent worlds, quietly supplies their ships when they pass through the system. And it is said that they, like the Tribes, can recruit new members from time to time. Any girl who cannot bear to spend her life bound to the earth, who looks to the stars and dreams of flight, may someday run away to become a Harpy.

--Arinn

Gender roles are a big deal. But they are Morrigi gender roles, not Human gender roles. Harpies do not transform themselves into males by assuming male duties and privileges. If they did, the Morrigi would have less problem with them.

In the cases where a rare girl is actually raised as a Traveler and undergoes the physical procedures in childhood that will make her, forever, a Traveler...THAT girl is transgendered, effectively. She will never be physically female in the fullest sense of the word, or become a mother. She could become a father, however, if her Tribe honored her contribution, by descending and adopting a newly fledged son. And no one has a problem with this. Full transgendering, in other words, is not that bad. A little strange, perhaps, and nothing to be actively encouraged, but certainly nothing to banish anyone over.

A Harpy goes into space as an adult female. She had a life planet-bound for years. Her voice, her mannerisms, her mind and her body are all female, and she does nothing to change them. Many Harpies were successfully married and became mothers before the war; they went into space after their lives on the planet surface were destroyed. They will never have the black bones and the physical form of a male, and their armor certainly doesn't conceal their femaleness to Morrigi eyes. If anything, femaleness is obscenely obvious in a spacesuit. And people had a problem with this.

--Arinn

Helpfull?

 

[unmerged(400937)]

Tried the lore sub forum?

on here? if you mean the Kerberos one, the problem is digging through loads of posts of unrelated stuff to find those rare gems of good info. I was hoping for more of a collected information page, like the sots.rorschach.net pages.

EDIT: yes, very helpful. will wait for the Morrigi DLC to learn more.