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Morrigi Leviathan - Primary:

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Morrigi Leviathan - Carrier:

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At first, I had issues with it because it didn't relate to the Dreadnought section, but the more I look at it the more I realize it can't be called a ship.

If you look at it realistically it's more a fortress with ports than anything else, which is against all ship design whatsoever be it here or even in Sci-Fi.

The turret mounts except for one section (which is not working correctly) are all built on station module sections for their heavy turrets. The underside is nearly bare of anything, and the Impactors at the 4 wing section at the back is somewhat... creative (mildly), but it doesn't really fit as a ship. It looks like crooked horns were added all over the place not to hide drones or anything as I would image they would do, but to instead just add decoration for no purpose whatsoever (not even the Tarka ships appear like that).

Worse and this is by far the worst part. The drone sections on both the Heavy and Carrier versions are literally just jutting out of the sides with launch doors something I'd imagine not even a Human ship would do so bluntly.

Worse, the battle rider and drone sections seem to be based out of the same hangar which makes even less sense.

This is the ugliest ship in the game when you look at it for what it is, even ignoring the fact the front section has only medium turrets, the middle section makes no sense, the place has what looks like 8 different bridges (Fortress redundancy building against), the sides are built on fortification mounts that took little creativity, the bottom is nearly bare, the top is where it's all at, the sides don't exist, and the launch bays are giant orifices and half cheese wheels... IT STILL looks ugly.

Please I don't care if it costs more money or a lot of work, REDESIGN the entirety of this Morrigi Leviathan, because it is just... pathetic design work in my honest opinion, and while I have the most problem with the Sol Force ships due to their... blandness, I still think all the other Levy's were done well, EXCEPT this.

If I'm out of line then fine, but I am curious if anyone else notices the vast difference between this and all other ships in the entirety of the game.

Leviathan Weapon Mountings:

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The Morrigi were always my favorite race, so to see them designed this way for their most pivotal ship in the game just seems like an insult to me.

If people seem, to think the cheese wheeled-horn ship is a good idea... then I'll suffer privately but if anyone agrees I'd like to know, I might throw it up on the forums.
 
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Not all races see the Leviathon as the be all and end all of combat - the Morrigi seem to view dreadnaughts as their main focus, which would explain their dreadnaughts effectiveness compared to the other races, and the lower focus placed on Cruiser and Leviathon development.

And to be fair the station is the nearest equivalent sized construction for anyone to have taken weapon fittings from, so it makes sense for the Morrigi to borrow design features from them to enable them to get a leviathon fuctioning as fast as possible, which might also explain why the Morrigi leviathon is the cheapest and fastest to build of any of the races.
 
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Except the Morrigi have their own style and they don't build cheese wheels into things.

I would doubt they'd spend 250,000,000 on a ship prototype for something just to not pay it much attention in design...

A Leviathan is a flagship essentially, it is the epitomy of the fleet.
 
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I tell you what has to be redesigned completely: the sol forces enginge section, looking like bah... this circle is.... i cant even tell how awful it ruins the feeling of the game... go, watch babylon 5, play nexus, so whatever it needs to get rid of this design...
 

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Except the Morrigi have their own style and they don't build cheese wheels into things.

I would doubt they'd spend 250,000,000 on a ship prototype for something just to not pay it much attention in design...

A Leviathan is a flagship essentially, it is the epitomy of the fleet.

The visual elements follow Morrigi design, both in Prime and in the cruisers and dreadnaughts of SOTS ][. I guess like any ship design it's down to individual preferences. I happen to actually like the Morrigi design, takign the elements of the dreadnaught design and streching them to look even more like a barbed arrow :)
 

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I tell you what has to be redesigned completely: the sol forces enginge section, looking like bah... this circle is.... i cant even tell how awful it ruins the feeling of the game... go, watch babylon 5, play nexus, so whatever it needs to get rid of this design...

The Node ring is the races unique FTL drive, and there are 6 individual FTL tech's, one for each race. Babylon 5 has the same engine type (Hyperspace) for all of the races except the Shadows, and its the same for Nexus, where they all use the same basic technology to move the ships. The Node rings have been a feature of human design since prime, and look much "better" and developed in SOTS ][. There is a lot of "Lore" explaining the human discovery of natural node lines between stars, and its a feature, from discussion when prime was released, that the vast majority of players wish to remain ingame.
 
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I don't know about the circle, but I noticed the Leviathan of the Sol Force doesn't have the spinning system or any of the advanced elements of the Node Drive even though it's the most advanced ship of the era.
 
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the visual elements follow morrigi design, both in prime and in the cruisers and dreadnaughts of sots ][. I guess like any ship design it's down to individual preferences. I happen to actually like the morrigi design, takign the elements of the dreadnaught design and streching them to look even more like a barbed arrow :)

cheese wheels

If they removed those... surely the oversized horns could be used to covertly carry the drones or riders.
 

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i adore the new human designs. i quite like that Morrigi leviathan as well, though it's not as amazing as their DNs. which again suggests that the epitome of the Morrigi fleet is to be found in their dreadnoughts.
 
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I think it suggests that they cut corners when designing the Morrigi Leviathan, and that means Kerberos is cheap.

It wouldn't be hard to use the horns or barbs or wings as the means to hide the drones and riders... but CHEESE WHEELS.
 

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I think it suggests that they cut corners when designing the Morrigi Leviathan, and that means Kerberos is cheap.

It wouldn't be hard to use the horns or barbs or wings as the means to hide the drones and riders... but CHEESE WHEELS.

see now your just fishing for an arguement...
 

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you keep saying cheese wheels but i have no idea which part you're referring to. could you circle it on a picture?
 

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I think it suggests that they cut corners when designing the Morrigi Leviathan, and that means Kerberos is cheap.

It wouldn't be hard to use the horns or barbs or wings as the means to hide the drones and riders... but CHEESE WHEELS.

Really? They cut corners and are cheap becuse you don't like the design? Others do, and its a matter of preference, as well as the complexity of models being and their effect on machine performance. Luckily you have the option of modding the game to create a new design within the complexity limits imposed by the MARS2 engine.
 

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It's looking like the circular BR section is designed for rapid hot-swapping - think of it like a carriers flight wing, and could be used to rapidly replace a casualty hit BR wing with a new complete squadron at minimal disruption (detach the carrier section, place in holding ship, attach new complete carrier section with flight crews and BR's already onboard) :)
 

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I think when Delsana is talking about Cheesewheels, it's pointing towards the wheel shaped sections of the hull most likely used to store battlerides. Personally I have nothing against them.
 

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Frankly I find the Morrigi designs a little busy and hard to read visually and haven't played them in my abortive attempts to play the game, but I think I can see part of what he's complaining about. That being the wedge-like structures the turret mounts are built on, which are reused from the Morrigi station designs (or the station designs reuse them from the leviathan..) but personally I love that sort of thing, same as I love the use of box shipping containers on human stations and supply ships. It adds a certain verisimilitude to the design to see recurring themes or even duplicated constructions. And as noted, LVs are on the same scale as stations and aside from structural changes for withstanding the g-forces of combat and damage control there's no reason they shouldn't share similar designs.

The 'cheese wheel' I'm guessing is the large disk-shaped structure on the LV carrier that appears to be the drone bay. It's hard to say with only edge-on and head-on views, but I wouldn't say it's really bad. Is the OP looking for some more subtle drone enclosure on a giant super-carrier that makes it less obvious it's a carrier? If so why? Is it that circular constructions don't match the Morrigi design philosophy? If so, take a look at the SOTS1 Morrigi colonizers, and their stations.

My question would be what's up with those weird red box-like constructions on the primary LV? Those seem to be more out of place than anything.
 

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I think thats it - tbh Delsana your not going to convince us of your viewpoint, and were not going to convinve you of ours, it simply a matter of personal preference, and there is NO right or wrong viewpoints in that. I would say it is unfair to say Kerberos are Cheap and Cut Corners with the design because you disagree with it.