Morocco Shouldn't Be Overseas for a European Country Like Portugal
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God, no. That was tried with EU2 at one point, and hasn't returned since for a reason.
I know, I loved it! I could just march my armies about everywhere without even having to look at a boat! If I could successfully play the game without a single boat, I'd be very happy.
Ah. One of those, are you? :happy:
I was once like that as well, but these days I much prefer to play as a naval power.
At any rate, what happened back in EU2 was that England never EVER managed to defend itself from France with that straight - not to mention the fact that it's insanely unrealistic. I mean, even today, in 2013, with the channel tunnel, it wouldn't be realistically possible to march an army across.
It doesn´t mean it´s unrealistic. The "strait" would only simulate the use of a lot of smal/civilian/fishing boats which are readily available at most coasts but are not displayed on the map like huge warships or transports.
The problem wasn´t that a strait was implemented between Dover and Calais - it was that the english AI was unable to use it´s navy to prevent a crossing of hostile armies marching over the strait by constantly guarding the strait with a fleet.
There's a straight now in Victoria 2, although one could make arguments about better fishing boats and barges in the 19th century. There is also a straight across Gibraltar in CK2 (but no English channel straight), so I wouldn't consider these out of the question.
Perhaps if England has to utilize her navy to block the straight she'll be more likely to have a naval focus.... and less likely to nab random bits of the Baltic like in EU3. I also believe that was the historical imperative for England's naval focus after the HYW, that they needed safety from the French hordes.
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I agree w OP... mechanic makes sense in a "colonize the new world" kind of way, but showing up in North Africa and coring & culture converting like nothing does not make any sense
Uhm yes... which makes it a problem that the strait is there. Not sure I follow your logic here.
Have any of you tried playing Portugal in the EU4 demo? Because if you did, you should know that coring conquered territory overseas does not give you a discount in coring. Only colonized provinces have the discount. Actually, North Africa now has a HIGHER coring cost due to the Berber tradition.
And for the straits issue: in EU4, you can actually attach regiments to a transport fleet in a coastal province, saving the time for loading regiments on the fleet. If you have the transports, this method does not differ much from directly marching an army across a strait. Which means whether the English channel should be cross-able without transports does not affect your chance of a successful crossing much, if at all. That's why the wider straits are better uncrossable, leaving a chance for bad AI programming to ruin the function of the strait.
And for the straits issue: in EU4, you can actually attach regiments to a transport fleet in a coastal province, saving the time for loading regiments on the fleet. If you have the transports, this method does not differ much from directly marching an army across a strait. Which means whether the English channel should be cross-able without transports does not affect your chance of a successful crossing much, if at all. That's why the wider straits are better uncrossable, leaving a chance for bad AI programming to ruin the function of the strait.
North Africa should be counted as Europe. Serious North Africa was a part of The Roman Empire, a part of the old christian world, it has more connection with Europe than rest of Africa.
Or how about counting North Africa as North Africa, a separate entity from both Europe and rest-of-Africa that can then have its own intermediate modifiers for culture flipping, conversion and overseas tax penalties? I just played Portugal in the demo and Morocco was completely gone, and Algiers started to go, by 1520. Took 12 months in some cases to convert a provice to Catholicism, and I had cored and culture flipped a number of provinces (didn't look at what Spain was doing with her 'half' but presumably the same).
I agree it's a horrible state of affairs for a game trying to offer realistic historical scenarios. Surely you will never see a game of EUIV where North Africa is not completely Iberian within a few decades of commencing play. Unless you play Morocco...
I agree it's a horrible state of affairs for a game trying to offer realistic historical scenarios. Surely you will never see a game of EUIV where North Africa is not completely Iberian within a few decades of commencing play. Unless you play Morocco...