More unique units for different countries?

[him_15]

I hope the dev could get some more unique units in, such as Japanese Torpedo Cruiser and Bicycle unit, Turkey's Camel unit. That would make each nation more unique and the game more variety. Any good suggestion for the dev though? Like Ski Troops perhaps?

 

[orochi2k]

If I remember correctly, both Britain and France has camel too. And Netherlands has bicycle too.
Thus, they are not really that unique.

 

[Cpt.Cross]

I am sure we will get ski Troops when the Soviets get their DLC.

 

[ThaHoward]

Ski troopers? But why really. Finland and Norway naturally make use of skiis when there is winter season and lack of infrastructure, horses and trucks. However during summer or fighting in low snow areas they will not use skiis.

The Germans had one Skijäger Division, in essence it was just an ordinary Gebirgsjäger Divison with a unique name - for an instance we would not make a unit with grenades for a German Grenadier or Volksgrenadier division. It's an infantry division with a cool name.

It would make more sense to give countries that utilized skis bonuses to either winter warfare or winter acclimation. For me making a ski division would make as much sense as creating "raincoat division", "boot division", "trench coat division" etc. The thing is ski divisions are not a thing per say, but is only a method of transport used due to lack of other means of transport and that most soldiers in certain countries are used to skiing.

Ski divisions would in the end be two things: infantry using skiis. Specialized units for operations in high altitude and mountain terrain (mountain troops). Both are represented in game already.

 

[Znail]

It's a bit strange that Sweden doesn't have bike infantry as not only was it commonly used but some units that are in the game as cavalry swapped their horses for bikes before WW1...
In a way so would Swedish bike units be considered Ski units as that was what they would use during the winter. In both cases so were towing (tolkning) used to increase mobility of the units.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1726326020739319

 

[ThaHoward]

It's a bit strange that Sweden doesn't have bike infantry as not only was it commonly used but some units that are in the game as cavalry swapped their horses for bikes before WW1...
In a way so would Swedish bike units be considered Ski units as that was what they would use during the winter. In both cases so were towing (tolkning) used to increase mobility of the units.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1726326020739319

I suppose they will be changed to summer boot divisons during summer?

 

[Znail]

Did you look at the facebook link? That was the WW2 summer version, even if this is a modern festival showing how it was done.

But if you are asking for the modern army (and the winter clip was new), then bikes are no longer in use so it would be boots or other vehicles.

 

[Louella]

I don't think ski troops are possible, because as far as I can tell, it's not possible to assign a unit a bonus to environmental conditions like snow or mud.

Which also means the difference between wide-tracked Soviet tanks and narrow-tracked German tanks can't be modelled either.

 

[ThaHoward]

Did you look at the facebook link? That was the WW2 summer version, even if this is a modern festival showing how it was done.

But if you are asking for the modern army (and the winter clip was new), then bikes are no longer in use so it would be boots or other vehicles.

The point is, skis are just a mode of transport. Either give the ski nations some buffs during winter or make them specialized infantry.

For the latter we already have mountain troops (USA, Germany, France, Italy etc used troops familiar with skis in their mountain divisions), and it don't need further seperation, just like parachute and glider troops are in airborne battalions. Also if we create special ski units, then we have the awkward situation where suddenly most of Norway forget how to ski just because ski troops are a meme.

 

[Znail]

For Sweden so do I think that Bicycle's works fine as it can be assumed that Ski's would be used during the winter as Bike's don't work very well then. Mountain troops are sadly serverly limited due to being special forces. Nordic countries simply can't get enough of them. A higher special forces limit would be nice, if possible restricted to only Mountaineers.

Movement bonus during winter would be nice. It could even be a generic one for all countries as it could use the cold acclimation as condition and all Nordic units tends to have that for natural reasons.

 

[Kapitalisti]

I really don't get why "ski troops" should be a unique unit. They weren't some specially trained specialists ala paratroopers, they were ordinary soldiers who happened to use skis when it was useful. That's like classifying soldiers in winter coats as specialist snow infantry. If you want to give Finland or Norway etc. ski troops just give them a slight bonus to infantry in winter conditions.

 

[Louella]

If you want to give Finland or Norway etc. ski troops just give them a slight bonus to infantry in winter conditions.

That's not possible in the game mechanics though.

 

[Kapitalisti]

That's not possible in the game mechanics though.

But surely a cold acclimatization bonus is possible since there techs that do that? Sure, it wouldn't be as fitting as a slight speed bonus but close enough.

 

[ThaHoward]

That's not possible in the game mechanics though.

Suppose we will need to see what happens in the Barbarossa patch.

 

[ArtemBan]

I really don't get why "ski troops" should be a unique unit. They weren't some specially trained specialists ala paratroopers, they were ordinary soldiers who happened to use skis when it was useful. That's like classifying soldiers in winter coats as specialist snow infantry. If you want to give Finland or Norway etc. ski troops just give them a slight bonus to infantry in winter conditions.

Soviets used 30 ski battalions formed from best ski athletes during Battle for Moskow. They could move much faster then leg infantry, so they were united to separate ski brigades and used to exploit breakthroughs. Also ski battalions were used for recon and sabotage. Ski troops weren't ordinary infantry, they differed both in terms of personnel and tasks.

 

[Crecer13]

Soviet Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigades and Motorized Engineer-Sapper Brigades. A unique unit designed to assault heavily fortified defenses or fortress cities. A special feature of these units are steel bibs (cuirass) SN-42. Motorized units also had battalions of OT-34 or OT-34-85 flamethrower tanks and T-34 tanks with a mine sweep:
A total of 20 Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigades and 6 Motorized Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigades were created.

It is possible that personal armor should be separately researched and produced separately as a weapon or a tank, which requires steel to produce. Because it was originally assumed that personal armor would be produced for each soldier. The USSR began research on personal armor in 1936, later there were models of 1939 that were tested in the Soviet-Finnish War. The main armor produced was SN-42; it was tested by infantrymen, paratroopers (parachute jumps with armor), and gun crews. And recognized as successful. The final version was the SN-46 with improved armor.

Other countries also thought about protecting soldiers. And the second country that produced personal armor was Britain with MRC body armor.

Germany used captured Soviet SN-42 and there is information that limited production of copies of Soviet armor for the SS troops.

Japan has been quite active in researching the issue of armor and producing armor that is based on the German armor of the First World War. Also at the final stage, I developed several armor models.

The USA produced the M2 flack vest for crews of strategic bombers, which was used by American sappers in the assault on the Siegfried Line.

 

[ThaHoward]

A unit I would like, however, would be support heavy tank company. Perhaps also.increase the number of support "companies" you can have.

At least then we can better simulate how Germany handled their Tiger tank battalions (spreading them along companies on certain divisons IIRC).

 

[Duke_Dave]

I am against special units and bicycles were used by all armies, maybe not the Maericans and Soviets. Rather countries should have national spirit bonuses, and maybe there should be a fourth special force unit which represents rangers, ski troops, etc. Who gets bonuses on land, in swamps, etc.

 

[Crecer13]

Skiing should be a research on improving infantry speed in winter. Look here - Soviet paratroopers used skis during Vyazma and Demyansk landing operations. Are the paratroopers now skiers?

 

[Quantum_AI]

Are the Camel/ Bicycles units actually good? I know they have better stats and speed, but do tech upgrades affect them?