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I personally quite like the shrine missions, they add flavour, have nice rewards, and leave something lasting in that city in terms of the modifiers it gives at the end (or even a autonomous religious state!). However, the lists for some religions are rather small, so I propose they be expanded. I've also attached a bunch of new deities in the Near East and Anatolia.

If anyone knows any other sites, please let me know so I can add them and help expand this list.

Sadly, I do not know any more then these two.

Code:
caucasian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1676 #Mtshkheta, main religious center for Iberians
                                province_id = 1637 #Temple of the Albanian moon goddess
                            }
                        }
                    }
Note I left out the thing at Garni, because except for the usual hellenophiles most scholars do not regard that as a temple.
Code:
armenian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1560 #Andewatsik, center for Astghik
                                province_id = 994 #Ashtishat, temple-state
                                province_id = 1654 #The Ewt Porakean Bagink
                                province_id = 1767 #Erez, center for Anahit
                                province_id = 1649 #Kaspian Bagawan
                                province_id = 1762 #Bagayarich, 'gods town' for Mihr
                                province_id = 839 #Mt Nemrud, the hierothesions to syncretic Helleno-Armenian deities
                                province_id = 1579 #Bagaran, one of the royal religious centres
                                province_id = 1571 #Artaxata, Erazamoyn, library-temple of Tir
                                province_id = 841 #Angegh, temple of Tork'
                                province_id = 1768 #Til, center for Nane
                                province_id = 7845 #Tordan and Ani-Kamakh, religious centers for Barshamin and Aramazd
                                province_id = 1567 #Bagawan, one of the royal religious centres
                                province_id = 1570 #Armawir, one of the royal religious centres
                                #
                            }
                        }
                    }
I'm sure there's more in central Anatolia, if anyone happens to know about them.

Code:
anatolian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1792 #Temple-state of Men Pharnakou
                                province_id = 172 #Komana, main centre of Ma
                                province_id = 200 #Kimiata, nearby sacred mountain religious centre at Olygassys
                                province_id = 1790 #The other Komana, also a centre of Ma
                                province_id = 1894 #Olbe, a temple-state
                                province_id = 1991 #Oenoanda, a arge and important religious centre
                                province_id = 292 #Sardis, site of Cybele
                                province_id = 1980 #Lagina, important Carian cultic site and temple state
                                province_id = 292 #Ephesus was an important site of Anatolian mother-goddess worship as well
                                province_id = 1875 #Kastabala, an Anatolian temple-state
                                province_id = 1879 #Aigai, an Anatolian temple state
                                province_id - 1818 #Venasa, second most important temple-state in Cappadocia, its high priest the third most important person
                                province_id = 188 #temple-state to mother goddess Meter Dindymene
                                province_id = 319 #temple state to Meter Steunos, another version of the mother goddess
                                province_id = 1928 #temple-state of Men
                            }
                        }
                    }
Four more sites for the roman_religion in the east

province_id = 1720 #Phasis, temple of Apollo Hegemon and Artemis
province_id = 1706 #Sourion, temple to the White Goddess Leukothea
province_id = 811 #Dolikhe, important Zeus temple and under the Romans the site for Jupiter Dolikhenos
province_id = 839 #Mt Nemrud, the hierothesions to syncretic Helleno-Armenian deities
province_id = 1995 #The Letoön at Xanthus, worship of Leto and her children
province_id = 1973 #Oracular temple of Apollo at Didyma
province_id = 1977 #Sactuary of Carian Zeus, Zeus Labraundus, a curious mix of local and Hellenic elements
province_id = 1834 #Zela, a temple-state in Pontus dedicated to Persian deities
province_id = 1515 #Ganzak, fire temple
province_id = 1598 #the holy mountain at Bagastana
province_id = 6691 #The Takht-i-Sanqin, or Oxus River temple, an important temple complex devoted to the Vakhshu the god of the Oxus and to Fire.
province_id = 854 #the Oasis of Sumatar, holy site to Sin
province_id = 819 #Important temple of Sin

Some possible new deities:

Disclaimer: For those deities with a lot of different forms, I'm picking out the interesting and important ones. Anatolia is super-diverse, to the point where 1 region probably had more different versions of just Zeus and the Mother Goddess then the entirety of Imperator Rome has deities, just from the ones we can attest. It likely had many more.

Some deities are already present in game, but should be changed to better fit the way/area/people they were worshipped/who worshipped them, thus I added them here. See also this post for the cultures in brackets, current not in game. They are various missing Anatolians.

Armenian:
Please see this post.

Anatolian:

  • Artimu, Lydian mother goddess, sounds like Artemis but isnt Artemis. Holy site at 292 Sardis (Sardis was a major cultic centre for many mother goddesses, which existed alongside each other), Very Rare.
  • Asbamaios, Cappadocian/Pontic*? deity, version of the heroic rider god native to Cappadocia, with elements of the storm god woven in, the Greeks associated him with Zeus, associated with oaths, horses, springs, War/Culture/Fertility deity, Very Rare.
  • Baaltar, Cilician deity, Baal of Tarsos, patron god of the city and all-round protector city, holy site at 1883 Tarsos, War deity, Fort/Defensive bonuses, Very Rare.
  • Bas, Phrygian deity, similar to other Anatolian/Mesopotamian/Semitic storm gods. Associated with food, harvests, storms, rain - Fertility/Economic deity, Very Rare.
  • Edbebe, Anatolian (Pisidian) grave goddess, associated with magic, the afterlife, death, and has mother goddess elements as well. Happyness, religious tech bonuses? Culture deity, Very Rare.
  • Eni Mahanahi, Lycian mother goddess, holy site at 1995 Xanthos. Fertility deity, Very Rare.
  • Gdan, Anatolian (Pisidian deity), a Pisidian version of the Anatolian mother goddess, worshipped throughout Pisidia and a lot of natives were named after her. No specific holy site, Culture/Fertility deity. Very Rare,
  • Hekate Lagitena, Carian deity, the Hekate of Caria, the Greek name for a far older deity who was worshipped at the temple-state at Lagina where the Carian gods were worshipped, some kind of military bonus and something else, holy site at 1890 Lagina, Culture/War deity, Very Rare.
  • Hosios and Dikaios, Phrygian and Lydian deities of justice, worshipped throughout Lydia and Phrygia alongside Helios and Apollo. Culture/Economic deities? Always come as a pair. Rare.
  • Kakasbos, Lycian deity, Lycian version of the heroic rider god, a more rough and agressive version of it, currently as a general Anatolian deity, but Kakasbos' worship only spread with the Lycian migration into the hinterland in the 2nd half of the game, and then spread to other proples there. Attrition effect? War deity, Rare.
  • Kubaba, the Cilician version of the mother deity, which saw at least some spread in Commagene as well, War deity, defensive bonus (because of an inscription found there that has strong terretorial and protective overtones). Holy site at 1675 Kastabala, Very Rare.
  • Leto, Lycian mother goddes, worshipped at the Letoon which carries her name, near 1995 Xanthus. War deity? Seems to have had some protective aspects of motherhood associated with her, Rare.
  • Ma, general Anatolian deity, war goddess, aggressive visage, associated with victory, discipline and morale bonuses, War deity, Rare.
  • Malija, a Lycian goddess of wisdom, holy site at 1993 Tlos, Culture or Economy deity, Very Rare.
  • Maseis, Anatolian (Milyadian, Cabalian) heroic rider god, worshipped in the mountains behind Lycia, had some elements of the moon god Ma as well in, holy site at 1990 Oenoanda,War/Fertility deity, Rare.
  • Matar (Kubeliya), Phrygian mother goddes, sometimes also called Matar Kubeliya, worshipped all over Phrygia, but had an important site at 184, at Midas City, an important religious centre even after its destruction, which continued in importance till at least the 3rd century BCE, and possible afterwards as well. Fertility/Economic deity? Rare.
  • Mazdaios, Cilician version of Ahuramazda, honestly not sure where to put this one, could be Hellenic as well, no clear holy site. Fertility/Culture deity (depicted with both fertility and wisdom related elements). Very Rare.
  • Meis, Phrygian version of Men/Mah, wisdom, knowledge, water, protective deity, no clear main holy site, but heavily attested at 319 Aizanoi. Culture/Economy diety?, Rare.
  • Meis Axiottenos, Lydian version of Men/Mah, often worshipped alongside his mother (aaawww), holy site around 301. Protective deity, also associated with water. Culture/Economy? Could fit most categories really. This version of Meis was very popular later on with Hellenics and Latins as well. Rare.
  • Men Askaios, (Pisidian deity) the Men of Pisidian Antioch 1928, one of the more important versions of Men in Anatolia. !Note that currently 1928 is localised as Men Askaenos, this is wrong, it should be Antiokheia tis Pisidias and Antochia Caesaraea in Greek and Latin respectively.! Rare.
  • Men Pharnakou, Cappadocian/Pontic*? deity, the Men of Pharnakes worshipped at the temple-state near 1792 Kabeira, a god associated with rulership, Economic Deity (so that Pontus can have Men Pharnakou, Ma, Mithra, and Anahita as its 4 deities), Very Rare.​
  • Meter Dindymene, Phrygian deity, the mother goddess deity of the Dindymos mountain in Anatolia (is already in game as 'Dindymene' but Dindymene is an epithet specifically referring to this mountain, not the name of a diety!), Rare.
  • Meter Steunene, general Anatolian, another mother goddess worshipped at the Steunos cave, believed by the Hellenes to have housed Zeus as a bebe, however, was an existing Phrygian holy site, Rare.​
  • Omanos, Cappadocian/Pontic*? deity, holy site at 1834 Zela where it was worshipped by the large Persian community and local Cappadocians. Related to oath taking, diligence, good deeds, based on Vohu Manah, Economy deity with a tax bonus and unrest reduction modifier perhaps? Very Rare.
  • Pylon, Cappadocian/Pontic*? deity, god of protection of roads and cities, Commerce/Defensive bonuses, thus Economic deity. Very Rare.
  • Sabazios, general Anatolain storm god, currently given incorrectly to the Zalmoxians, Culture deity, Common, his worship was spread quite far, Very Common.
  • Sozon, Phrygian deity, a heroic rider deity which would later become very popular in the Roman period as part of the larger Heroic Rider cults. War Deity, Rare.​
  • Trqqas, Lycian version of ancient Luwian Tarhunt, War/Fertility deity, Very Rare.
  • Trqund, Carian version of the Anatolian storm god, Fertility/Culture deity, Very Rare.
  • Wanassa, Pamphylian (and Pisidian) deity, a wild Mother Goddess of where the valleys and plains meet. Archery and food bonuses? War/Fertility deity. Very Rare.
  • Zeus Kimistenos, Paphlagonian diety, the Greek name for the Paphlagonian Zeus, storm god, protective elements, worshipped throughout Paphlagonia, War/Culture deity, Rare.
  • Zeus Labraundus, an ancient Carian Zeus, at Labraunda in province 1977, royal Zeus associated with the rulers of Caria, Culture/War deity, Very Rare.
  • Zeus Olbius, Cilician/Isaurian(Lalassian/Kennataian) deity, the Zeus of Olbe (1894), whose temple-state was ruled by the hereditary Teucrid dynasty, likely a Cilician/Isaurian storm god, War/Culture diety, Very Rare.

'Deified people':
  • Mausolus, Carian deified ruler, holy site at 1981 Halicarnassus. See post #4 for a bit more info. Culture deity focussed on ruler prestige?, Very Rare.
  • Perseus, Hellenic AND Anatolian, 'deity/deified', had a major cultic site at 161 Limyra, part of the Anatolian tradition of Bronze Age mythical hero worship. Was related to kingship and legitimacy in Lycia, so Culture/War deity?, Rare.
  • Sarpedon, Lycian 'deity/deified hero', had a major cult centre at the arcropolis of 1995 Xanthus, saw widespread worship in Lycia. War deity, Rare.

Hellenic:
  • Dioskouroi, Hellenic deity, the divine twins Castor and Pollux, holy site at 1714 Dioskourias, could perhaps come with very different modifiers, and could be either a War/Culture/Economic diety. Very Common.
  • Hekate, Hellenic AND Anatolian deity, could have many different modifiers, perhaps a Religious tech one pertaining to her role as the mediator between the above and below (similar to Edbebe for the Pisidians), Culture deity, Very Common.
  • Jupiter Dolichenos, Roman deity, a mystery cult deity based on the storm god from Dolikhe, should become a mystery cult deity once Romans move into the nearby area, and then become available to Rome. War deity, Very Rare (though the deity should be event related).
  • Kybele, Hellenic deity, the Anatolians had their own mother goddesses, Kybele was at its core the Greek version of them, namewise based on the Phrygian mother goddess Matar Kubeliya. Phrygia was massively imporant to the development of the Greeks, and they had imported their own version of this deity at least 400 years before the game starts. Perhaps Cybele can eventually be removed from the Anatolian list, and given to the Romans under some conditions. Fertility deity, Common.
  • Leukothea, Graeco-Pontic/Colchian the White Goddess worshipped at 1711 Sourion, Culture/Fertility deity?, Rare.
  • Magna Mater, Roman deity, available to the Romans once they capture parts of inland Anatolia, Fertility deity, Rare.
Canaanite:
  • Zeus Dolikhenos, Aramaic deity, the Zeus of Dolikhe, holy site at 811 Dolikhe, a storm god related to fertility, rain, war, and a holy mountain. Fertility/War deity related to rain, Rare.

Egyptian:
  • Neith, holy site at 519 Sais, War deity, Rare.

Zoroastrian:
  • Vakhsh (Vaxšu), (Bactrian culture group) Iranian river god of the Oxus river, food, pop capacity bonuses, Fertility deity, Very Rare.
  • Mah, Iranian lunar deity, probably what inspired Men, often worshipped alongside Mithra. Especially important for Anatolian Iranians. Fertility/Economic deity, associated with both water, growth, healing but also learning and wisdom. Rare.
  • Varshayn (Varšayn), Sogdian deity, warrior god and protector deity. War deity. Rare.

Zalmoxian:
  • Zemela, Thracian deity, an earth-goddess. Fertility deity with harvest/food focussed bonuses?, Rare.

*Pontic culture wasnt really a thing, they were Cappadocians, Pontic should be removed. If it stays, deities should be shared.
 
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Added Kastabala and Aigai temple states. Sumatar and Harran as a holy sites.

Furthermore, I think these could do with a modifier to slaves to add some flavour, suggested modifiers added, but I ain't no balance wizard so balance them as you like.

Temple-State
-5 Slaves needed for surplus
+0.05 Legitimacy
+1 trade route
-20% Tax income

'The ancient Anatolian temple-states were hereditary polities, controlled by local dynasties. Where most Anatolian polities did not rely on slave labour, these temple-states did rely heavily on them. Throughout the year celebrations, festivals, sacrifices, and other activities took place on their grounds, all in service of one or more deities.'

Provs: 172*, 188, 292, 319, 807, 994, 1762, 1767, 1768*, 1790, 1792, 1818, 1834, 1875, 1879*, 1894, 1928, 1980, 7845.

I've marked the lesser ones in Armenia and Pontus with a *, since multiple modifiers in an area might become too strong? I'll leave it up to you guys.

EDIT: Reasoning behind the modifiers. Unlike in the rest of Anatolia these temple states heavily employed slaves, were often linked to the legitimacy of the rulers that controlled them, had a large amount of autonomy (the reduced taxes) but also attracted a lot of people and thus trade. Some of these were really wealthy.
 
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Did some further reading on temple-states, and added three more to the list, all Phrygian. And added Zeus Olbius to the deities list. Also updated my proposal for a Temple-State modifier a bit.

Furthermore, I think Olbe/Olba has some great flavour potential. Initially probably just a temple-state, upon Seleukid defeat and capture of this area they became a independent subject of the Seleukids under the Teucrid dynasty, controlling roughly the area of 1890, 1892, 1894 (Strabo says it was an even larger area but archaeology has yet to prove that, where it has proven these areas were controlled by the Olbian dynasts). They were closely linked to the Seleukids, and probably instated primarily to control this mountainous backwater. They would later provide refuge to the last Seleukids as their realm fell apart, and were granted the title Brothers of the Kings in return for their constant loyalty.

With regards to flavour, while possibly not 100% historically accurate (we just don't know) the Teucrids could perhaps be made an independent Theocratic Monarchy subject of the Antigonids, and upon conquest by another power (either annexed or when they are aquired as a subject), an event could happen:

  • A, Historical: Release the Theocratic Monarchy of Olba ruled by the Teucrids, owning the territories of: 1890, 1892, 1894. They would have a positive relations modifier to their overlord. It would also grant a one time popularity and legitimacy bonus to their new overlord. Preferably a new subject type could be added, basically a Client State that cannot be integrated.
  • B, Ahistorical: End the temple-state, removing the Temple-State modifier, causing unrest for a while and spawning a Teucrid in a nearby rival realm, granting them claims to the area? (Trying to make this interesting here :D)
  • C, Ahistorical: Leave things as they are, just spawning an OPM Olba controlling only 1894.
(Alternatively, the event could happen when the area is conquered, without them being a subject from the start)

This event could then apply to any who conquer this area? Or just Major Powers and above? Furthermore, the material I've read hints at Kastabala becoming a similar construction later on in the timeframe, but the scholarship seems less clear on their status. Additionally, under the Attalids something similar seems to have happened at 188 Pessinous later on in the timeframe: Article on the temple-state at Pessinous

On the terminology: Temple-state is used for all of the aforementioned temple-states, but most of them did not control much beyond a small area within a province/city, and a legion of slaves (male and female). However, my reading so far suggests only Olba and perhaps, Kastabala, Ashtishat, and the upper Euphrates Valley Armenian temple-states could be considered some form of indepdendent subjects in Antiquity, controlling a larger area.
 
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Added a few more holy sites, Bagastana, Takht-i-Sanqin, and added the deities Kubaba, Vahksh, Hosios and Dikaios, Leto, Matar, Artimu, and Mazdaios.

Furthermore, added a few others that could perhaps play with the 'Deification system'.

Perseus - Had a cultic site at Limyra, important deity with regards to local royalty.
Mausolus - The guy of the Mausoleum, the (Helleno-)Anatolian temple tomb at Halikarnassos. The entire place was set up in a way as to place Mausolos amongst the gods, and to portray him as one, amonst Hellenic and Persian lines. Quoting A-M. Carstens: Even if [the Mausoleum] was not a temple, it was presented like one – and Maussollos was the god to worship. (Anatolian temple-tombs are a very interesting development found mainly in West Anatolia (and at least 1 in Armenia, of tombs styled after Ionic temples)
Sarpedon - had a major cult complex at Xanthus, on the acropolis of all places, important site of worship for the Lycians.

Edit: Also, yes, thats a lot of mother goddesses. Welcome to Hellenistic Anatolia, where you get a mother goddess, and you get a mother goddess, YOU ALL GET A MOTHER GODDESS! Before you go: But Samitte, thats so many... Imagine this: I've only picked out the major ones. Same with the Zeuses, of which there is a veritable flood of different ones in 1 tiny region of Anatolia alone.

Also, I'm in a bit of a dilemma where to place these mixed Anatolian/Other deities. Some of these were clearly a local version of a Hellenic deity, others a local deity with a Hellenic name slapped on top, these are easy to sort. But there's a whole load where I am not sure, and often neither are academics. So I've placed those with the culture they belong to.
 
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Please do add 1 region deities. There's no reason as to why they can't be special deities for different states or cultures in Anatolia. The more the merrier!
 
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Please do add 1 region deities. There's no reason as to why they can't be special deities for different states or cultures in Anatolia. The more the merrier!

I'm filtering through them, but there's over 74 different versions of Zeus attested in just Phrygia Epiktetus alone (the region in the area inbetween 302 Kadoi and 316 Midaion in game, not the entire in game area of 'Phrygia Epictetus'.), including Zeus Dolikhenos which is included above. At just the temple-state of Aizanoi (which was only a part of 319 Aizonai) we can attest at least 14 different Zeuses and 8 Meters, and about 30 other deities both Anatolian and Hellenic. Zeus in the Anatolian context doesn't always refer to the Hellenic-style Zeus, often it is merely an adopted name placed on an older Anatolian Storm-god, and serves more as a fertility/food related deity.

Diversity is nice, but at some point the menu becomes a slog to scroll through. Mainly looking for deities that had special significance to specific ingame tags, cultures, were important in a cross-cultural context, or which were important throughout the region.
 
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In addition to the above modifier, for larger temple-states a separate subject type would also work well. Any thoughts? And are there any other cultures where this could work for (maybe with some adjustments?).

Temple-State subject type:
Requirements:
Creatable via a special action like Syracusae's Mercenary States, for Anatolian culture tags.
Some become available some other way (Pessinous for Pergamon, Olbe for the Diadochi, others present at game start)
5 or less provinces.
Capital needs to have the Temple-state modifier.
Must be a theocratic form of government.
Must be same religion as overlord.

Payment to overlord:
10% of income
50% of manpower

Other effects:
Overlord gains monthly Legitimacy, and Omen Power.
Subject gains Omen Power, Omen Duration, and a Commerce Income modifier.

Temple States do not cost a Diplomatic Slot, do Join Wars, can be Integrated, cannot Break their relation, and has Limited Diplomacy.

Pessinous can be established via event for Pergamon, and Olbe can be established/expanded via event for the Diadochi. (and possible Olbe as an independent start, see above)

Furthermore, added the second most important temple-state in Cappadocia, Venasa (whose priest was the third most important person in Cappadocia, after the king, followed by the high priest of the Comana temple-state).


Edit:

After some further research, the current places should be Temple-State vassals at the start of the game:

Of Armenia:
Ashtishat (owning 994, ruled by the Vahevunid dynasy)

Of Lesser Armenia:
Daranalis (owning 1768, 7845)
Acilisene (owning 1767, 1766, 1765)
Derzene (owning 1762, 1764, 1698)

Of Antigonid Kingdom:
Antiokheia (owning 1939, 1928, 1926, 1925)
Olbe (owning 1894, expanding via the above event ruled by the Teucrid dynasty)
Bambyce (owning 807, 809, 810 as currently in game, though I don't know the basis for their large territory)
Kastabala (owning 1875)

Of Pontus:
Zela (owning 1834, Zoroastrian religion)
Komana Pontike (owning 1790)

Of Cappadocia:
Komana Kappadokia (owning 172, probably 1976, 1983, 1902 as well at the least.)
Ouenasa/Venasa (owning 1818)

To be set up by Pergamon:
Pessinous (owning 188)
 
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Added the deities Omanos, Men Askaios, Sozon, Zemela, Gdan, and Vershayn.

Also updated the idea of a Temple-State subject somewhat: Added Zela and Komana Pontica to the ones that should be independent, both had their own armies and quite some local autonomy. And changed it to propose they can be integrated, since both Zela and Komana Pontica were integrated into the larger Pontic kingdom during the reign of queen Phytodoris.

Two quick notes:

Gdan is clearly a Pisidian deity, a culture missing from the game right now, and be present in and around most of the Pisidia area. However, there are many more Anatolian cultures missing so I might make a future post about this somewhere else.

Men Askaios is probably Pisidian as well, and I would like to reiterate again that the current Hellenic localisation for 1928 is wrong, it should be something like Antiokheia tis Pisidias and Antochia Caesaraea in Greek and Latin respectively instead. The city was never named after the deity.
 
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With the new changes to culture, I would like to suggest a few changes related to culture and religion:

Cybelene Religion should be renamed to Anatolian, as a far wider spectrum of deities was worshipped, amongst them various thunder gods, mountain mothers, mystical grave-deities, heroic rider gods, moon deities, female war goddesses, and dog-related deities.

Perhaps more deities can be tied to having a presence of their culture within your state, not just their religion. Many deities across Anatolia were a varying Mesopotamian, Levantine, Hellenic, Zoroastrian, Anatolian elements. Baaltar, for example, was clearly based on the Levantine Ba'al, but also had protective elements found in Cappadocian Pylon, and Mesopotamian storm-god characteristics. Mazdaios, another Cilician deity, clearly had Anatolian-Mesopotamian roots in his depictions, but the name shows Zoroastrian influence as well.

Instead of making these deities tied to a religion, they should be tied to a culture.



Made a few slight changes, added rarity to all deities, and added one more shrine mission site, and reorganised all deities in Alphabetic order:

Added:
Sabazios to the Anatolians - he is in game for the Zalmoxians but this is wrong. He was primarily worshipped by the Anatolians living in the Phyrgian-Lydian region, but also beyond that, and his cult spread throughout the Med.
Kakasbos to the Lycians, Kakasbos was a Lycian deity, whose worship spread once the Lycians started to move into the hinterland.
Ma as a general Anatolian deity.
Jupiter Dolichenos as a Roman mystery cult deity.
Pylon to the Cappadocians(Pontics), a god of protection for travellers and towns,
the Dioskouroi, the twin deities of Castor and Pollux for the Hellenes.
Zeus Kimistenos to the Paphlagonians, known from throughout the region from Roman inscriptions, this cult was likely based on a/the Paphlagonian storm god, this cult spread beyond Paphlagonia as well in the Roman period.
Kimiata as a shrine site, my Olygassys was an important religious centre in the area.
Lagina as a shrine site, and added Lagina (1980) to the Temple-State post.
Oenoanda as a shrine site, became a large religous complex in the later half of the game.
Edbebe to the Anatolians (Pisidians), a goddess associated with the grave.
Wanassa to the Pamphylians (and Pisidians),
Kybele to Greeks, the Anatolians had their own mother goddesses, Kybele was at its core the Greek version of them, namewise based on the Phrygian mother goddess Matar Kubelya. Phrygia was massively imporant to the development of the Greeks, and they had imported their own version of this deity at least 400 years before the game starts. Perhaps Cybele can eventually be removed from the Anatolian list, and given to the Romans under some conditions.
Meter Theon to the Romans, which they can aquire once they conquer parts of western Phrygia.
Hekate Lagetina to the Carians.
Hekate, for the Anatolians and the Greeks, as Cybele, Apollo, Artemis, and others travelled west, so might Hekate have travelled east and become an important Anatolian goddess. Though, her origin is still disputed, but she was either Anatolian or Greek, by the Hellensitic period her worship was common throughout western Anatolia and Greece.
Maseis, an Anatolian regional rider god (Milyadian, Cabalian)
Asbamaios to Cappadocians(Pontics), the Cappadocian version of the rider god.

Changed:
Tarhunt (removed), Zeus Dolikhenos (moved to Canaanite), Zeus Labraundus and Zeus Olbius (moved to Anatolian), Omanos (moved to Anatolian)
 
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Some feedback and a couple of questions.
  • Perseus, Hellenic AND Anatolian, 'deity/deified', had a major cultic site at 161 Limyra, part of the Anatolian tradition of Bronze Age mythical hero worship. Was related to kingship and legitimacy in Lycia, so Culture/War deity?, Rare.
  • Sarpedon, Lycian 'deity/deified hero', had a major cult centre at the arcropolis of 1995 Xanthus, saw widespread worship in Lycia. War deity, Rare.
These two should be full deities and not deified characters, like Hercules/Heracles, Ariadne, Helen, Tanit (Queen Dido) and Achilles.

However, at least three people should be deified, although they were not rulers:
  • Homer (no holy site, can be established by event). available for all greek hellenics.
  • Pythagoras (Holy site: Samos, his birthplace). Ionia, perhaps someone else?
  • Hephaestion (Holy Site: Amphipolis). Macedon.

Note that currently 1928 is localised as Men Askaenos, this is wrong, it should be Antiokheia tis Pisidias and Antochia Caesaraea in Greek and Latin respectively.
Antiokheia (owning 1939, 1928, 1926, 1925)
Not while it's controlled by the Antigonids.
The PDX devs almost definitely know about Antiokheia, but chose the name Men Askaenos deliberately.
Any name
would be better than Antiokheia.

Derjan (1769, 1762, 1792)
Derzene (owning 1762, 1764)
They share one tile (1762) and have a similar name. Are these supposed to be two countries or one?

Changed:
Tarhunt (removed),
Why? He was a major luwian deity.

EDIT: Posted a long list of own suggestions in @vyshan 's Hellenism improvements thread. Please take a look at them and @vyshan 's own proposals as well.
 
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Not while it's controlled by the Antigonids.
The PDX devs almost definitely know about Antiokheia, but chose the name Men Askaenos deliberately.
Any name
would be better than Antiokheia.

I disagree that Men Askaenos is better then Antiokheia - but I see your point. We have a whole slew of names from various localities near Pisidian Antioch - so any of these could be used I guess. These were probably all controlled by the temple-state before the founding of the city in its lands.

Aiza, Arkasta, Barouklia, Boalia, Diatora, Chailiara, Doudada, Ekkea, Gardibia (-dybia), Grekea (perhaps Trekea), Katiena, Kakoza, Kamarga, Karma or Kharma, Karsenda, Kazonia, Kelounia, Kerasos or Kerasia, Klantea, Klela, Kleustia, Knouteina, Kousea, Kradra, Kranosaga, Ktimena or Khthimena, Lamisos, Lanka or Lankea, Lapeistra/Lapistra or Laphystra, Marallis or Marallita, Mergnia, Mikkonia, Monokleros, Mouza, Nazoula, Neophytos, Oitinia or Oitonia, Olimanaros, Padia, Pagada, Patea, Perokia, Polymarga, Plouristra or Proureistra, Pserkiokome, Rekokome, Renbea, Simikka or Simmikka, Sourbia, Strouma, Talimeta, Tettha or Thettha, Teuita/Tyita/Tyta or Tita, Tyrsa or Thyrsa, Totonia.

All of these were just villages, and none of them really stand out in the literature so any could be used. Tyita/Tyta sounds relatively like a few other nearby Pisidian towns so that might be a good contender.

They share one tile (1762) and have a similar name. Are these supposed to be two countries or one?

Forgot to fix that, Derzene is the Greek name for Derjan. Fixed now.
 
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I disagree that Men Askaenos is better then Antiokheia - but I see your point.
The devs obviously used DARE for the names.
You've found an extremely long list here. Respect!

Tyita/Tyta sounds relatively like a few other nearby Pisidian towns so that might be a good contender.
Seconded.

Forgot to fix that, Derzene is the Greek name for Derjan. Fixed now.

But now
Derzene (1769, 1762)
Derzene has only half of the area you proposed here:
20200624021754_1.jpg

Have you changed your opinion on the borders?
 
Have you changed your opinion on the borders?

I meant to switch one of them around for 1698, but failed to do that somehow. Due to the wierd geographical quirks of the map it spans 4 in that edited picture, but only 3 on the ingame map. Same with the other temple state, its hard to fit square pegs into round holes with the boundaries the maps crosses sometimes.
 
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