More shrine locations and deities for various religions

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I personally quite like the shrine missions, they add flavour, have nice rewards, and leave something lasting in that city in terms of the modifiers it gives at the end (or even a autonomous religious state!). However, the lists for some religions are rather small, so I propose they be expanded. I've also attached a bunch of new deities in the Near East and Anatolia.

If anyone knows any other sites, please let me know so I can add them and help expand this list.

Sadly, I do not know any more then these two.

Code:
caucasian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1676 #Mtshkheta, main religious center for Iberians
                                province_id = 1637 #Temple of the Albanian moon goddess
                            }
                        }
                    }
Note I left out the thing at Garni, because except for the usual hellenophiles most scholars do not regard that as a temple.
Code:
armenian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1560 #Andewatsik, center for Astghik
                                province_id = 994 #Ashtishat, temple-state
                                province_id = 1654 #The Ewt Porakean Bagink
                                province_id = 1767 #Erez, center for Anahit
                                province_id = 1649 #Kaspian Bagawan
                                province_id = 1762 #Bagayarich, 'gods town' for Mihr
                                province_id = 839 #Mt Nemrud, the hierothesions to syncretic Helleno-Armenian deities
                                province_id = 1579 #Bagaran, one of the royal religious centres
                                province_id = 1571 #Artaxata, Erazamoyn, library-temple of Tir
                                province_id = 841 #Angegh, temple of Tork'
                                province_id = 1768 #Til, center for Nane
                                province_id = 7845 #Tordan and Ani-Kamakh, religious centers for Barshamin and Aramazd
                                province_id = 1567 #Bagawan, one of the royal religious centres
                                province_id = 1570 #Armawir, one of the royal religious centres
                                #
                            }
                        }
                    }
I'm sure there's more in central Anatolia, if anyone happens to know about them.

Code:
anatolian_religion = {
                    PREV = {
                            OR = {
                                province_id = 1792 #Temple-state of Men Pharnakou
                                province_id = 172 #Komana, main centre of Ma
                                province_id = 1790 #The other Komana, also a centre of Ma
                                province_id = 1894 #Olbe, a temple-state
                                province_id = 292 #Sardis, site of Cybele
                                province_id = 292 #Ephesus was an important site of Anatolian mother-goddess worship as well
                                province_id = 1875 #Kastabala, an Anatolian temple-state
                                province_id = 1879 #Aigai, an Anatolian temple state
                                province_id - 1818 #Venasa, second most important temple-state in Cappadocia, its high priest the third most important person
                                province_id = 188 #temple-state to mother goddess Meter Dindymene
                                province_id = 319 #temple state to Meter Steunos, another version of the mother goddess
                                province_id = 1928 #temple-state of Men
                            }
                        }
                    }
Four more sites for the roman_religion in the east

province_id = 1720 #Phasis, temple of Apollo Hegemon and Artemis
province_id = 1706 #Sourion, temple to the White Goddess Leukothea
province_id = 811 #Dolikhe, important Zeus temple and under the Romans the site for Jupiter Dolikhenos
province_id = 839 #Mt Nemrud, the hierothesions to syncretic Helleno-Armenian deities
province_id = 1995 #The Letoön at Xanthus, worship of Leto and her children
province_id = 1973 #Oracular temple of Apollo at Didyma
province_id = 1977 #Sactuary of Carian Zeus, Zeus Labraundus, a curious mix of local and Hellenic elements
province_id = 1834 #Zela, a temple-state in Pontus dedicated to Persian deities
province_id = 1515 #Ganzak, fire temple
province_id = 1598 #the holy mountain at Bagastana
province_id = 6691 #The Takht-i-Sanqin, or Oxus River temple, an important temple complex devoted to the Vakhshu the god of the Oxus and to Fire.
province_id = 854 #the Oasis of Sumatar, holy site to Sin
province_id = 819 #Important temple of Sin

Some possible new deities:

Disclaimer: For those deities with a lot of different forms, I'm picking out the interesting and important ones. Anatolia is super-diverse, to the point where 1 region probably had more different versions of just Zeus and the Mother Goddess then the entirety of Imperator Rome has deities, just from the ones we can attest. It likely had many more.

Armenian:
Please see this post.

Anatolian:

Tarhunt, general Anatolian storm god, War deity, a Luwian deity that survived to some degree into the Hellenistic period.
Trqqas, Lycian version of ancient Luwian Tarhunt, War/Fertility deity
Trqu(n)d, Carian version of the Anatolian storm god, Fertility/Culture deity.
Eni Mahanahi, Lycian mother goddess, holy site at 1995 Xanthos. Fertility deity
Malija, a Lycian goddess of wisdom, holy site at 1993 Tlos, Culture or Economy deity
Baaltar, Baal of Tarsos, patron god of the city, Cilician deity, holy site at 1883 Tarsos, War deity
Men Pharnakou, Pontic and Cappadocian deity, the Men of Pharnakes worshipped at the temple-state near 1792 Kabeira, a god associated with rulership, so Culture/Economic Deity?
Meter Dindymene, Phrygian deity, the mother goddess deity of the Dindymos mountain in Anatolia (is already in game as 'Dindymene' but Dindymene is an epithet specifically referring to this mountain, not the name of a diety!)
Meter Steunene, Phrygian, another mother goddess worshipped at the Steunos cave, believed by the Hellenes to have housed Zeus as a bebe, however, was an existing Phrygian holy site.
Kubaba, the Cilician version of the mother deity, which saw at least some spread in Commagene as well, War deity, defensive bonus (because of an inscription found there that has strong terretorial and protective overtones). Holy site at 1675 Kastabala.
Mazdaios
Leto, Lycian mother goddes, worshipped at the Letoon which carries her name, near 1995 Xanthus. War deity? Seems to have had some protective aspects of motherhood associated with her.
Artimu, Lydian mother goddess, sounds like Artemis but isnt Artemis. Holy site at 292 Sardis (Sardis was a major cultic centre for many mother goddesses, which existed alongside each other)
Matar (Kubeliya), Phrygian mother goddes, sometimes also called Matar Kubeliya, worshipped all over Phrygia, but had an important site at 184, at Midas City, an important religious centre even after its destruction, which continued in importance till at least the 3rd century BCE, and possible afterwards as well. Fertility/Economic deity?
Hosios and Dikaios, Phrygian and Lydian deities of justice, worshipped throughout Lydia and Phrygia alongside Helios and Apollo. Culture/Economic deities? Always come as a pair.
Mazdaios, Cilician version of Ahuramazda, honestly not sure where to put this one, could be Hellenic as well, no clear holy site. Fertility/Culture deity (depicted with both fertility and wisdom related elements).
Meis, Phrygian version of Men/Mah, wisdom, knowledge, water, protective deity, no clear main holy site, but heavily attested at 319 Aizanoi. Culture/Economy diety?
Meis Axiottenos, Lydian version of Men/Mah, often worshipped alongside his mother (aaawww), holy site around 301. Protective deity, also associated with water. Culture/Economy? Could fit most categories really. This version of Meis was very popular later on with Hellenics and Latins as well.
Bas, Phrygian deity, similar to other Anatolian/Mesopotamian/Semitic storm gods. Associated with food, harvests, storms, rain - Fertility deity.

'Deified people':
Mausolus, Halikarnassian deified ruler, holy site at 1981 Halicarnassus. See post #4 for a bit more info. Culture deity focussed on ruler prestige?
Perseus, Lycian 'deity/deified', had a major cultic site at 161 Limyra, part of the Anatolian tradition of Bronze Age mythical hero worship. Was related to kingship and legitimacy in Lycia, so Culture/War deity?
Sarpedon, Lycian 'deity/deified hero', had a major cult centre at the arcropolis of 1995 Xanthus, saw widespread worship in Lycia. War deity.

Hellenic:
Zeus Dolikhenos, the Zeus of Dolikhe, holy site at 811 Dolikhe, Fertility deity related to rain. (Could also be Semitic)
Zeus Labraundus, the ancient Carian Zeus, at Labraunda in province 1977, royal Zeus associated with the rulers of Caria, Culture/War deity
Leukothea, Graeco-Pontic/Colchian the White Goddess worshipped at 1711 Sourion, Culture deity?
Zeus Olbius, the Zeus of Olbe (1894), whose temple-state was ruled by the hereditary Teucrid dynasty.

Egyptian:
Neith, holy site at 519 Sais, War deity

Zoroastrian:
Vakhsh (Vaxšu), (Bactrian) Iranian river god of the Oxus river. Fertility deity.
Mah, Iranian lunar deity, probably what inspired Men, often worshipped alongside Mithra. Especially important for Anatolian Iranians. Fertility/Economic deity, associated with both water, growth, healing but also learning and wisdom.
 
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Added Kastabala and Aigai temple states. Sumatar and Harran as a holy sites.

Furthermore, I think these could do with a modifier to slaves to add some flavour, suggested modifiers added, but I ain't no balance wizard so balance them as you like.

Temple-State
-5 Slaves needed for surplus
+0.05 Legitimacy
+1 trade route
-20% Tax income

'The ancient Anatolian temple-states were hereditary polities, controlled by local dynasties. Where most Anatolian polities did not rely on slave labour, these temple-states did rely heavily on them. Throughout the year celebrations, festivals, sacrifices, and other activities took place on their grounds, all in service of one or more deities.'

Provs: 172*, 188, 319, 807, 994, 1762*, 1767, 1768*, 1790, 1792, 1818, 1834*, 1875, 1879*, 1894, 1928, 7845.

I've marked the lesser ones in Armenia and Pontus with a *, since multiple modifiers in an area might become too strong? I'll leave it up to you guys.

EDIT: Reasoning behind the modifiers. Unlike in the rest of Anatolia these temple states heavily employed slaves, were often linked to the legitimacy of the rulers that controlled them, had a large amount of autonomy (the reduced taxes) but also attracted a lot of people and thus trade. Some of these were really wealthy.
 
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Did some further reading on temple-states, and added three more to the list, all Phrygian. And added Zeus Olbius to the deities list. Also updated my proposal for a Temple-State modifier a bit.

Furthermore, I think Olbe/Olba has some great flavour potential. Initially probably just a temple-state, upon Seleukid defeat and capture of this area they became a independent subject of the Seleukids under the Teucrid dynasty, controlling roughly the area of 1890, 1892, 1894 (Strabo says it was an even larger area but archaeology has yet to prove that, where it has proven these areas were controlled by the Olbian dynasts). They were closely linked to the Seleukids, and probably instated primarily to control this mountainous backwater. They would later provide refuge to the last Seleukids as their realm fell apart, and were granted the title Brothers of the Kings in return for their constant loyalty.

With regards to flavour, while possibly not 100% historically accurate (we just don't know) the Teucrids could perhaps be made an independent Theocratic Monarchy subject of the Antigonids, and upon conquest by another power (either annexed or when they are aquired as a subject), an event could happen:

  • A, Historical: Release the Theocratic Monarchy of Olba ruled by the Teucrids, owning the territories of: 1890, 1892, 1894. They would have a positive relations modifier to their overlord. It would also grant a one time popularity and legitimacy bonus to their new overlord. Preferably a new subject type could be added, basically a Client State that cannot be integrated.
  • B, Ahistorical: End the temple-state, removing the Temple-State modifier, causing unrest for a while and spawning a Teucrid in a nearby rival realm, granting them claims to the area? (Trying to make this interesting here :D)
  • C, Ahistorical: Leave things as they are, just spawning an OPM Olba controlling only 1894.
(Alternatively, the event could happen when the area is conquered, without them being a subject from the start)

This event could then apply to any who conquer this area? Or just Major Powers and above? Furthermore, the material I've read hints at Kastabala becoming a similar construction later on in the timeframe, but the scholarship seems less clear on their status. Additionally, under the Attalids something similar seems to have happened at 188 Pessinous later on in the timeframe: Article on the temple-state at Pessinous

On the terminology: Temple-state is used for all of the aforementioned temple-states, but most of them did not control much beyond a small area within a province/city, and a legion of slaves (male and female). However, my reading so far suggests only Olba and perhaps, Kastabala, Ashtishat, and the upper Euphrates Valley Armenian temple-states could be considered some form of indepdendent subjects in Antiquity, controlling a larger area.
 
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Added a few more holy sites, Bagastana, Takht-i-Sanqin, and added the deities Kubaba, Vahksh, Hosios and Dikaios, Leto, Matar, Artimu, and Mazdaios.

Furthermore, added a few others that could perhaps play with the 'Deification system'.

Perseus - Had a cultic site at Limyra, important deity with regards to local royalty.
Mausolus - The guy of the Mausoleum, the (Helleno-)Anatolian temple tomb at Halikarnassos. The entire place was set up in a way as to place Mausolos amongst the gods, and to portray him as one, amonst Hellenic and Persian lines. Quoting A-M. Carstens: Even if [the Mausoleum] was not a temple, it was presented like one – and Maussollos was the god to worship. (Anatolian temple-tombs are a very interesting development found mainly in West Anatolia (and at least 1 in Armenia, of tombs styled after Ionic temples)
Sarpedon - had a major cult complex at Xanthus, on the acropolis of all places, important site of worship for the Lycians.

Edit: Also, yes, thats a lot of mother goddesses. Welcome to Hellenistic Anatolia, where you get a mother goddess, and you get a mother goddess, YOU ALL GET A MOTHER GODDESS! Before you go: But Samitte, thats so many... Imagine this: I've only picked out the major ones. Same with the Zeuses, of which there is a veritable flood of different ones in 1 tiny region of Anatolia alone.

Also, I'm in a bit of a dilemma where to place these mixed Anatolian/Other deities. Some of these were clearly a local version of a Hellenic deity, others a local deity with a Hellenic name slapped on top, these are easy to sort. But there's a whole load where I am not sure, and often neither are academics. So I've placed those with the culture they belong to.
 
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Please do add 1 region deities. There's no reason as to why they can't be special deities for different states or cultures in Anatolia. The more the merrier!
 

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Please do add 1 region deities. There's no reason as to why they can't be special deities for different states or cultures in Anatolia. The more the merrier!
I'm filtering through them, but there's over 74 different versions of Zeus attested in just Phrygia Epiktetus alone (the region in the area inbetween 302 Kadoi and 316 Midaion in game, not the entire in game area of 'Phrygia Epictetus'.), including Zeus Dolikhenos which is included above. At just the temple-state of Aizanoi (which was only a part of 319 Aizonai) we can attest at least 14 different Zeuses and 8 Meters, and about 30 other deities both Anatolian and Hellenic. Zeus in the Anatolian context doesn't always refer to the Hellenic-style Zeus, often it is merely an adopted name placed on an older Anatolian Storm-god, and serves more as a fertility/food related deity.

Diversity is nice, but at some point the menu becomes a slog to scroll through. Mainly looking for deities that had special significance to specific ingame tags, cultures, were important in a cross-cultural context, or which were important throughout the region.
 
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In addition to the above modifier, for larger temple-states a separate subject type would also work well. Any thoughts? And are there any other cultures where this could work for (maybe with some adjustments?).

Temple-State subject type:
Requirements:
Creatable via a special action like Syracusae's Mercenary States, for Anatolian culture tags.
Some become available some other way (Pessinous for Pergamon, Olbe for the Diadochi, others present at game start)
5 or less provinces.
Capital needs to have the Temple-state modifier.
Must be a theocratic form of government.
Must be same religion as overlord.

Payment to overlord:
10% of income
50% of manpower

Other effects:
Overlord gains monthly Legitimacy, and Omen Power.
Subject gains Omen Power, Omen Duration, and a Commerce Income modifier.

Temple States do not cost a Diplomatic Sot, don't Join Wars, cannot be Integrated, cannot Break their relation, and has Limited Diplomacy.

At game start, Bambyce (already in game), Ashtishat (994), Ekegheats (1765, 1766, 1767, 1768) and Derjan (1698, 1762, 1792), can be present with this subject type.

Pessinous can be established via event for Pergamon, and Olbe can be established/expanded via event for the Diadochi. (and possible Olbe, see above)


Furthermore, added the second most important temple-state in Cappadocia, Venasa (whose priest was the third most important person in Cappadocia, after the king, followed by the high priest of the Comana temple-state).