More ROTW provinces -> Much more trade income of western europe

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Early game : Asia -> Mediterranean sea

It doesn't matter severely.

Mid and late game : Africa, America -> 4 western countries

Oh no Trade income must be nurfed. And some of trade value must spread to near nodes whether upstream or downstream, also some must remain its own node.
 

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Trade itself feels rather op:
In my game as Norway I have the largest income in the world (106 ducats a month from trade) with my only European conquest is 2 provinces.
And Im not yet gotten the Asian trade, soon but Im richest country in the world with nearly only european trade, how ridiculous rich will I be then I get asia too.
And that is with less then 100 light ships
 

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But the UK has built its wealth on trade scams with ROTW. Spain and Portugal alike.
At that time, Europe had no goods to offer to the world, except for weapons, military art and technology.

So what's the problem?
 

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But the UK has built its wealth on trade scams with ROTW. Spain and Portugal alike.
At that time, Europe had no goods to offer to the world, except for weapons, military art and technology.

So what's the problem?

'it is very sophisticated game with many factors and every single player is SURE how DEFINITELY they should coexist; it isn't just his opinion but factual data and Paradox is supposed to obey him' Syndrome
 

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But the UK has built its wealth on trade scams with ROTW. Spain and Portugal alike.
At that time, Europe had no goods to offer to the world, except for weapons, military art and technology.

So what's the problem?

4 countries have army of 1.5 x force limit always. Even ai countries neglect force limit entirely.
 

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'it is very sophisticated game with many factors and every single player is SURE how DEFINITELY they should coexist; it isn't just his opinion but factual data and Paradox is supposed to obey him' Syndrome

It is very sophisticated game, so Paradox cannot control all of factors which they added in very recent patch. Small change makes great influence. Players can report the things which aren't intended to support dev team.
 

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4 countries have army of 1.5 x force limit always. Even ai countries neglect force limit entirely.
And when it didn't we could beat it into submission with only a handful of troops. The AI shouldn't hoard cash.
 

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And when it didn't we could beat it into submission with only a handful of troops. The AI shouldn't hoard cash.

Players can earn thousands in a month. Easy for ai, even easy for players. If we play as interior countries, this change makes game be interesting, but playing as 4 western colonizing countries is too easy. Because I usually play as Deutsche minors I can play interesting game with greater France, but it is overbalanced.
 

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there is nothing wrong with the overal volume of trade.

what is a problem is how it always ends up at a select amount of nations. right now, you can pull a lot of trade just by dominating your home node. you should not be pulling half a node towards your capital without any effort. provinces are also worth very little compared to trade center's and mechants, to the point wehre i think you could easly triple provincial trade power(and slightly buffing estuaries and center's of trade), or at least severly reduce trade power if you do not own any land there. while coastal and trading nations shoudl have significant advantages over landlocked nations, the way and ease they empty entire nodes is just insane.

overall, i like how basicly everyone got a nice income boost. while it might have pushed income into the high part(you can reliably get 3 +3 advisors really fast if you happen to sit on a particulary rivh node like bengal or venice), i really liek how it made nations far more able to bounce back from disaster. it used to be that smaller AI nations wer eplain doomed because they could barely afford an army(them building over forcelimits really helps slightly weaker nations voercome odds), and that when you stomped someone one or two times that as logn as you kept somewhat chaining wars they were never able to recover. well, not anymore. and even with this income boost i see major nations like castille and france going deep into debt due to wars.