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So, exactly as the title says. The Big Green Blob has an advantage against any other Big Blob: its territory is pretty monolithic. It would be nice to have an opportunity to restore old principalities, for example, like with the Ukraine. Or cossack hosts. Or independent Siberia.
 

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So, exactly as the title says. The Big Green Blob has an advantage against any other Big Blob: its territory is pretty monolithic. It would be nice to have an opportunity to restore old principalities, for example, like with the Ukraine. Or cossack hosts. Or independent Siberia.
Well, you're talking about Muscovy in 1444? As far as I remember Muscovy in 1444 doesn't have any releasable states, just vassals. This could actually be a good point.

Siberia on the other hand is a different problem.
 

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Well, you're talking about Muscovy in 1444? As far as I remember Muscovy in 1444 doesn't have any releasable states, just vassals. This could actually be a good point.

Siberia on the other hand is a different problem.
Muscowy has in fact already one releasable state: Nizhny Novgorod (2PM if I recall correctly).
If tatar nationalists somehow pop in Kasimov (tatar/muslim province in Muscowy) instead of tatar patriots, then a Qasim sultanate core can be created. Following Danzig example, it's possible that the Qasim Sultanate starts with a 1444 core in AOW. So potentially 2 releasable states at game start.

Finally a Vladimir-Suzdal releasable states would complete the set nicely in my opinion. :)
 

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So, exactly as the title says. The Big Green Blob has an advantage against any other Big Blob: its territory is pretty monolithic. It would be nice to have an opportunity to restore old principalities, for example, like with the Ukraine.
Ukraine is the primary tag of Ruthenian culture, all of LIT and POL's Ruthenian-culture provinces start the game as cores of Ukraine, and given that Lithuania has great difficulty making the Ruthenians stop being Orthodox, and AI Russia will see no reason to culture-convert the Ruthenians to Russian (since it's the union tag for the East Slavic, so Ruthenian is always a no-penalty culture), I find it quite unlikely that you'd see a game where Ukraine could not be released from AI Russia unless it was a case of "they'd never acquired the Ruthenian provinces in the first place".
 

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IMHO generic Muscovian and Novgorodian provinces also need rebalance towards better detalization. If you add more provinces to that region, releasable principalities will become a bit larger (3-6 provinces instead of 1-3) and their release will be more noticeable.
 

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Muscovy has all of Novgorod under its control within the first 5-10 years of the game. Coalition abuse is real strong.
That's human Muscovy. AI Muscovy doesn't, AFAIK leverage coalitions to drag Novgorod back to war :)
 

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Well, you're talking about Muscovy in 1444? As far as I remember Muscovy in 1444 doesn't have any releasable states, just vassals. This could actually be a good point.

And the mid- lategame as well, especially after the conquest of Siberia. Lots of provinces to the east, that have no cores but russian.
 

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Muscowy has in fact already one releasable state: Nizhny Novgorod (2PM if I recall correctly).
If tatar nationalists somehow pop in Kasimov (tatar/muslim province in Muscowy) instead of tatar patriots, then a Qasim sultanate core can be created. Following Danzig example, it's possible that the Qasim Sultanate starts with a 1444 core in AOW. So potentially 2 releasable states at game start.

Finally a Vladimir-Suzdal releasable states would complete the set nicely in my opinion. :)

Vladimir-Suzdal would be a cool. EUIII also had Murom as a releasable nation.
 

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The Russian world in EU4 start date is such bs. No Russian principality was independent at this time INCLUDING MUSCOVY- they either paid tribute to the Tatars or Lithuania. Also, Muscovy was in the middle of a devastating 50-year civil war at this time. Want to nerf the BGB? Petition Paradox to actually make the East Slavic world historically accurate. Don't even get me started on the provinces!
 

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And the mid- lategame as well, especially after the conquest of Siberia. Lots of provinces to the east, that have no cores but russian.
You can still release the previous vassals + Novgorod until 1594. There are also hordes such as Kazan, Nogay, Kazakh, Uzbek, Sibir.
But for Siberia there is no option because all those are colonies. It doesn't even sound fair to release those - after all they're mostly populated by Russian colonists.

The client states introduced in Art of War might help with this - but I think they're limited to your own continent - this might get tricky for Europe -> Siberia.