More peace options

[Alexandre]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


I like your other ideas, but not this one. I can't think of a single historical example where a Catholic was force-converted to Orthodox, or vice-versa. On the other hand, it definitely should be in with respect to pagans and heretics.

Vlad the Impaler converted to Catholicism in order to get Hungarian help.

However, I'm uncomfortable with this idea since I think that it'll lead to far too frequent exploitation. Perhaps it'll work if we make it something that can be offered by the defeated power, but can't be imposed by the victor? Then, limit the chances that your king will accept your suggestion that you make the change based upon his piety/personality traits. (John Lackland, sure, Louis the Pious, no way.)

Alexandre

 

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Originally posted by Alexandre


Vlad the Impaler converted to Catholicism in order to get Hungarian help.

However, I'm uncomfortable with this idea since I think that it'll lead to far too frequent exploitation. Perhaps it'll work if we make it something that can be offered by the defeated power, but can't be imposed by the victor? Then, limit the chances that your king will accept your suggestion that you make the change based upon his piety/personality traits. (John Lackland, sure, Louis the Pious, no way.)

Alexandre

Well, a voluntary conversion to seek western aid is entirely different. There are several historical examples of this (mostly from Byzantium). Heck, even Alexius and the 4th Crusade could be considered in this category.

It's the conversion at the point of a sword that I don't think belongs.

 

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Originally posted by Alexandre


............. Then, limit the chances that your king will accept your suggestion that you make the change based upon his piety/personality traits. (John Lackland, sure, Louis the Pious, no way.)

Alexandre

What? Just because John was excommunicated you think he was not pious?

 

[Alexandre]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


Well, a voluntary conversion to seek western aid is entirely different. There are several historical examples of this (mostly from Byzantium). Heck, even Alexius and the 4th Crusade could be considered in this category.

It's the conversion at the point of a sword that I don't think belongs.

Agreed, especially since I think that including it would lead to major player exploits. Kiev/Byzantium go off on crusade in the west, converting Italian and German rulers to Orthodoxy at the point of a sword. I think not.

Alexandre

 

[Alexandre]

Originally posted by Sonny


What? Just because John was excommunicated you think he was not pious?

I'd only call that the icing on the cake. Mostly, because John would do anything for personal power, to the extent that he ended up severely eroding royal power because he'd abused it too much. If he could have gotten more power by declaring England Orthodox, and getting a Patriarch. . .

Alexandre

 

[Martinus]

Giving up a claim - or acknowledging someone else's claim (e.g. after current ruler's death) are surely a must in a game so based on personal claims and titles.