More formable nations in AOW

[Kansai-kun]

Why Lippe, specifically?

Because every East European country gets its own lobby in the forums, but my home country's being underrepresented, despite being around since the early 12th century and having a rich history.

Germany could be reworked..
More little states = more fun & challenging

Like that?

 

[grommile]

Germany could be reworked..
More little states = more fun & challenging

For sufficiently annoying values of "fun". Germany's province density is already high enough to be inconvenient from a user interface perspective.

 

[Krajzen]

Okay, my list of Legit Formable Nations reworked (few most pointless/disliked states less)

FORMABLE NATONS

1) Belgium - historically existed in 1790 http://goo.gl/rnCf6
2) Yuan - historically existed till 14th century, possible to form again by Oirat/Mongols when conquering China. No idea about NIs.
3) Arabia - ya know, united Arabian Peninsula. Historically was united as 'Arabia' in early 20th century (hey it's 'just' one century after the end of EU4 Earlier than Hindustan...) Still Arabian NIs.
4) Al - Andalus - possible to form by Granada or countries from Maghreb region after (re)conquering Iberian Peninsula. Historically was precedessor to the Emirate of Granada. Adopts Granada/Berber NIs, depending on country forming.
5) Myanmar - in the Art of War this area will be divided on many smaller states so unificating them should be possible. Why 'Myanmar' instead of 'Burma'? http://goo.gl/BqfFv Adopts Taungoo NIs.
6) Siam - possible to form by Ayyuthaia (or any different Thai country). Forming Siam includes adopting Absolute Monarchy, Ayyuthaian NIs, bonus towards Western tech.
7) Kurdistan - new culture in the Middle East. Possible to appear through rebellion/event (not sure if AOW will have some Kurdish small state, if yes - forming Kurdistan should be possible via it). Unique NIs.
8) Maghreb - Morocco + Fez + Algiers + Tunisia. Historically existed as Almoravid Empire but Almoravid is the name of past (extinct) dynasty. Still Berber NIs.
9) Durrani - possible to form by Afghanistan/Afghan countries if they control Afganistan + Pakistan + Nishapur. Unique NIs.
10) Srivivaya - possible to form by Aceh if Srivivaya dynasty still exists. Requires owning Sumatra and Peninsular Malaya. Allows on conversion to Buddhism. Still Malay NIs.
11) Vietnam - requires being Dai Viet and owning provinces of Champa + these 1-2 provinces of Khmer which exist today as southern ('Nam') part of country.
12) Somalia - Adal + Ajuraan (essentially, Somali countries).
13) Missisipi - Native American Empire constisting of provinces of 9 tribes close to Missisipi River: Cree, Chocksaw, Cherokee, Osage, Caddo, Pawnee, Susquehannock, Miami. Capital in Cahokia. As much ahistorical as Hindustan.
14) Turkey - possible to form by Beylik countries owning all Turkey area if Ottoman Empire doesn't exist, or by OE if it doesn't have European provinces besides Constantinople but has all Turkey. Or something like that.
15) Ghana Empire - possible to form by Macina or Jenne (AOW Western Africa). Unique NIs.
16) Hausa - possible to form by any of Hausa state owning all Hausa culture provinces. Unique NIs.
17) Illyria - proposed by some people instead of Yugoslavia. I guess it should be formable by Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro/Serbia/Albania if a country owns all other mentioned states. Unique NIs.
18) Europe - wait! Of course it is ahistorical! I simply think it should be a sexy option for countries dominating European continent, so it would look lovely to see 'Europe' instead of for example absurdly big 'Alsace'

RESTORED EMPIRES

Mongol Empire - possible to form via Hordes uniting, well, Hordes from Kazakhstan to Manchu.
The Caliphate - the result of 'Unify Islam' decision.
Majapahit Empire - Majapahit in 1444 starts as small Javanese nation, the remnant of greatest Indonesian empire ever (from medieval era). Restoring it would be nice. Unique NIs. Alternate names: Indonesia, Nusantara.
Khmer Empire - possible to restore by Khmer if they control Cambodia, Thailand and Laos.
Celestial Empire - what I am talking about in this case is non - Ming Chinese nation (Zhou, Shun, Xi) restoring unique 'Celestial Empire' government after owning all Han + Cantonese provinces, not sure if it is already possible in game.

NEW COLONIAL STATES

Australia
Philippines
South Africa
California



Bonus: a bunch of completely crazy completely ahistorical ideas just for fun.

Celticia - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany.
North Sea Empire - Denmark, Norway, England, Scotland
Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania
Great Finland - Finland + Karelia + Ingria
as - Sudan - Western Africa united
Dravida - souther Indian cultural union
Transoxania - Uzbek-Turkem-Taji-Kyrgyz-Kazakh-stans
Interior - Native North American union of all Western tribes
Gallia - France... with Animist religion
Assyrian Empire - Syria + conquering hella lot of Middle East
Caucasus - all Caucasian cultures united

 

[Therion]

so it would look lovely to see 'Europe' instead of for example absurdly big 'Alsace'

Why? In retrospect do we find 'Rome' absurd?

 

[wergy]

For sufficiently annoying values of "fun". Germany's province density is already high enough to be inconvenient from a user interface perspective.

Increase the density all over the world I really love what MEOU did to the HRE or what Magna Mundi and MEIOU did in EU3.

 

[fredrikslicer]

Swedish empire for sweden, Scandinavia for denmark and the north sea empire for norway/Iceland. Ability to reform into sweden, denmark or norway as minor scandinavian states with the right culture if the country does not exist

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

Okay, my list of Legit Formable Nations reworked (few most pointless/disliked states less)

FORMABLE NATONS

1) Belgium - historically existed in 1790 http://goo.gl/rnCf6
2) Yuan - historically existed till 14th century, possible to form again by Oirat/Mongols when conquering China. No idea about NIs.
3) Arabia - ya know, united Arabian Peninsula. Historically was united as 'Arabia' in early 20th century (hey it's 'just' one century after the end of EU4 Earlier than Hindustan...) Still Arabian NIs.
4) Al - Andalus - possible to form by Granada or countries from Maghreb region after (re)conquering Iberian Peninsula. Historically was precedessor to the Emirate of Granada. Adopts Granada/Berber NIs, depending on country forming.
5) Myanmar - in the Art of War this area will be divided on many smaller states so unificating them should be possible. Why 'Myanmar' instead of 'Burma'? http://goo.gl/BqfFv Adopts Taungoo NIs.
6) Siam - possible to form by Ayyuthaia (or any different Thai country). Forming Siam includes adopting Absolute Monarchy, Ayyuthaian NIs, bonus towards Western tech.
7) Kurdistan - new culture in the Middle East. Possible to appear through rebellion/event (not sure if AOW will have some Kurdish small state, if yes - forming Kurdistan should be possible via it). Unique NIs.
8) Maghreb - Morocco + Fez + Algiers + Tunisia. Historically existed as Almoravid Empire but Almoravid is the name of past (extinct) dynasty. Still Berber NIs.
9) Durrani - possible to form by Afghanistan/Afghan countries if they control Afganistan + Pakistan + Nishapur. Unique NIs.
10) Srivivaya - possible to form by Aceh if Srivivaya dynasty still exists. Requires owning Sumatra and Peninsular Malaya. Allows on conversion to Buddhism. Still Malay NIs.
11) Vietnam - requires being Dai Viet and owning provinces of Champa + these 1-2 provinces of Khmer which exist today as southern ('Nam') part of country.
12) Somalia - Adal + Ajuraan (essentially, Somali countries).
13) Missisipi - Native American Empire constisting of provinces of 9 tribes close to Missisipi River: Cree, Chocksaw, Cherokee, Osage, Caddo, Pawnee, Susquehannock, Miami. Capital in Cahokia. As much ahistorical as Hindustan.
14) Turkey - possible to form by Beylik countries owning all Turkey area if Ottoman Empire doesn't exist, or by OE if it doesn't have European provinces besides Constantinople but has all Turkey. Or something like that.
15) Ghana Empire - possible to form by Macina or Jenne (AOW Western Africa). Unique NIs.
16) Hausa - possible to form by any of Hausa state owning all Hausa culture provinces. Unique NIs.
17) Illyria - proposed by some people instead of Yugoslavia. I guess it should be formable by Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro/Serbia/Albania if a country owns all other mentioned states. Unique NIs.
18) Europe - wait! Of course it is ahistorical! I simply think it should be a sexy option for countries dominating European continent, so it would look lovely to see 'Europe' instead of for example absurdly big 'Alsace'

RESTORED EMPIRES

Mongol Empire - possible to form via Hordes uniting, well, Hordes from Kazakhstan to Manchu.
The Caliphate - the result of 'Unify Islam' decision.
Majapahit Empire - Majapahit in 1444 starts as small Javanese nation, the remnant of greatest Indonesian empire ever (from medieval era). Restoring it would be nice. Unique NIs. Alternate names: Indonesia, Nusantara.
Khmer Empire - possible to restore by Khmer if they control Cambodia, Thailand and Laos.
Celestial Empire - what I am talking about in this case is non - Ming Chinese nation (Zhou, Shun, Xi) restoring unique 'Celestial Empire' government after owning all Han + Cantonese provinces, not sure if it is already possible in game.

NEW COLONIAL STATES

Australia
Philippines
South Africa
California



Bonus: a bunch of completely crazy completely ahistorical ideas just for fun.

Celticia - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany.
North Sea Empire - Denmark, Norway, England, Scotland
Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania
Great Finland - Finland + Karelia + Ingria
as - Sudan - Western Africa united
Dravida - souther Indian cultural union
Transoxania - Uzbek-Turkem-Taji-Kyrgyz-Kazakh-stans
Interior - Native North American union of all Western tribes
Gallia - France... with Animist religion
Assyrian Empire - Syria + conquering hella lot of Middle East
Caucasus - all Caucasian cultures united

+1

 

[grandadmiralbob]

Okay, my list of Legit Formable Nations reworked (few most pointless/disliked states less)

FORMABLE NATONS

1) Belgium - historically existed in 1790 http://goo.gl/rnCf6
2) Yuan - historically existed till 14th century, possible to form again by Oirat/Mongols when conquering China. No idea about NIs.
3) Arabia - ya know, united Arabian Peninsula. Historically was united as 'Arabia' in early 20th century (hey it's 'just' one century after the end of EU4 Earlier than Hindustan...) Still Arabian NIs.
4) Al - Andalus - possible to form by Granada or countries from Maghreb region after (re)conquering Iberian Peninsula. Historically was precedessor to the Emirate of Granada. Adopts Granada/Berber NIs, depending on country forming.
5) Myanmar - in the Art of War this area will be divided on many smaller states so unificating them should be possible. Why 'Myanmar' instead of 'Burma'? http://goo.gl/BqfFv Adopts Taungoo NIs.
6) Siam - possible to form by Ayyuthaia (or any different Thai country). Forming Siam includes adopting Absolute Monarchy, Ayyuthaian NIs, bonus towards Western tech.
7) Kurdistan - new culture in the Middle East. Possible to appear through rebellion/event (not sure if AOW will have some Kurdish small state, if yes - forming Kurdistan should be possible via it). Unique NIs.
8) Maghreb - Morocco + Fez + Algiers + Tunisia. Historically existed as Almoravid Empire but Almoravid is the name of past (extinct) dynasty. Still Berber NIs.
9) Durrani - possible to form by Afghanistan/Afghan countries if they control Afganistan + Pakistan + Nishapur. Unique NIs.
10) Srivivaya - possible to form by Aceh if Srivivaya dynasty still exists. Requires owning Sumatra and Peninsular Malaya. Allows on conversion to Buddhism. Still Malay NIs.
11) Vietnam - requires being Dai Viet and owning provinces of Champa + these 1-2 provinces of Khmer which exist today as southern ('Nam') part of country.
12) Somalia - Adal + Ajuraan (essentially, Somali countries).
13) Missisipi - Native American Empire constisting of provinces of 9 tribes close to Missisipi River: Cree, Chocksaw, Cherokee, Osage, Caddo, Pawnee, Susquehannock, Miami. Capital in Cahokia. As much ahistorical as Hindustan.
14) Turkey - possible to form by Beylik countries owning all Turkey area if Ottoman Empire doesn't exist, or by OE if it doesn't have European provinces besides Constantinople but has all Turkey. Or something like that.
15) Ghana Empire - possible to form by Macina or Jenne (AOW Western Africa). Unique NIs.
16) Hausa - possible to form by any of Hausa state owning all Hausa culture provinces. Unique NIs.
17) Illyria - proposed by some people instead of Yugoslavia. I guess it should be formable by Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro/Serbia/Albania if a country owns all other mentioned states. Unique NIs.
18) Europe - wait! Of course it is ahistorical! I simply think it should be a sexy option for countries dominating European continent, so it would look lovely to see 'Europe' instead of for example absurdly big 'Alsace'

RESTORED EMPIRES

Mongol Empire - possible to form via Hordes uniting, well, Hordes from Kazakhstan to Manchu.
The Caliphate - the result of 'Unify Islam' decision.
Majapahit Empire - Majapahit in 1444 starts as small Javanese nation, the remnant of greatest Indonesian empire ever (from medieval era). Restoring it would be nice. Unique NIs. Alternate names: Indonesia, Nusantara.
Khmer Empire - possible to restore by Khmer if they control Cambodia, Thailand and Laos.
Celestial Empire - what I am talking about in this case is non - Ming Chinese nation (Zhou, Shun, Xi) restoring unique 'Celestial Empire' government after owning all Han + Cantonese provinces, not sure if it is already possible in game.

NEW COLONIAL STATES

Australia
Philippines
South Africa
California



Bonus: a bunch of completely crazy completely ahistorical ideas just for fun.

Celticia - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany.
North Sea Empire - Denmark, Norway, England, Scotland
Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania
Great Finland - Finland + Karelia + Ingria
as - Sudan - Western Africa united
Dravida - souther Indian cultural union
Transoxania - Uzbek-Turkem-Taji-Kyrgyz-Kazakh-stans
Interior - Native North American union of all Western tribes
Gallia - France... with Animist religion
Assyrian Empire - Syria + conquering hella lot of Middle East
Caucasus - all Caucasian cultures united

+1

I'd like a formable nation for Tartars and maybe reforming Great Moravia...... Other than that, good list bro.

@Dakilla, you have said that 1000000000 times, I just counted.

 

[Krajzen]

+1

I'd like a formable nation for Tartars and maybe reforming Great Moravia...... Other than that, good list bro.

Yeah, Great Moravia would be also cool. No idea how Tartar nation would look though.

Maybe simply removing current pointless remnant of Golden Horde and creating formable Golden Horde uniting all Tartar nations?

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

Yeah, Great Moravia would be also cool. No idea how Tartar nation would look though.

Maybe simply removing current pointless remnant of Golden Horde and creating formable Golden Horde uniting all Tartar nations?

The Tartars are represented as the Golden Horde etc.

 

[Osman Pasha]

The Caliphate should be be formable too ( ___ Caliphate ) like the Ottoman Caliphate or Mamluk Caliphate, etc...

 

[PiriReis]

As government type better.

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

As government type better.

I agree

+1

 

[RunForrestRun]

"Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania"
Tito actually tried to unite Bulgaria and Yugoslavia but that was in 1948(?) and he failed...

But here's another one - restore Bulgaria with other nation then switch to BG, conquer Romania, Greece, all Ottoman territories(only the european) and Byzantium (Constantinopole), then proclaim yourself as "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans" and rename your country to Bulgaro-Byzantium or other name like that... Congrats you just made everybody in Bulgaria happy.

 

[Atilla 'The Hun']

lol..

 

[grandadmiralbob]

"Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania"
Tito actually tried to unite Bulgaria and Yugoslavia but that was in 1948(?) and he failed...

But here's another one - restore Bulgaria with other nation then switch to BG, conquer Romania, Greece, all Ottoman territories(only the european) and Byzantium (Constantinopole), then proclaim yourself as "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans" and rename your country to Bulgaro-Byzantium or other name like that... Congrats you just made everybody in Bulgaria happy.

Owes RFR a drink. Funny man you are.

 

[Krajzen]

But here's another one - restore Bulgaria with other nation then switch to BG, conquer Romania, Greece, all Ottoman territories(only the european) and Byzantium (Constantinopole), then proclaim yourself as "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans" and rename your country to Bulgaro-Byzantium or other name like that... Congrats you just made everybody in Bulgaria happy.

Bulgarians require much to be happy

 

[VolitionNewlove]

As government type better.

Would love to see Theocracies in general changed into multiple types. As things are, there are only Papacy (a unique type exclusive to the Papal States,) and Theocracy (which is based solely after Catholic (arch)bishoporics.

Hereditary theocracies, or even theocratic monarchies (like Caliphates,) are wholly-impossible. Of course, there generally wasn't really much government restructuring for rulers who declared themself to be Caliph, so it's not as if it necessarily needs to exist as a completely different government type (after all, forming such governments should be possible as both Iqta and Despotic Monarchy, at the very least.)

 

[Thure]

Would love to see Theocracies in general changed into multiple types. As things are, there are only Papacy (a unique type exclusive to the Papal States,) and Theocracy (which is based solely after Catholic (arch)bishoporics.

Hereditary theocracies, or even theocratic monarchies (like Caliphates,) are wholly-impossible. Of course, there generally wasn't really much government restructuring for rulers who declared themself to be Caliph, so it's not as if it necessarily needs to exist as a completely different government type (after all, forming such governments should be possible as both Iqta and Despotic Monarchy, at the very least.)

Yeah. Theocratic monarchies are needed. And maybe Orders as own type too.

For monarchic theocracies in Europe... Montenegro!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Montenegro

 

[zemuzil]

Okay, my list of Legit Formable Nations reworked (few most pointless/disliked states less)

FORMABLE NATONS

1) Belgium - historically existed in 1790 http://goo.gl/rnCf6
2) Yuan - historically existed till 14th century, possible to form again by Oirat/Mongols when conquering China. No idea about NIs.
3) Arabia - ya know, united Arabian Peninsula. Historically was united as 'Arabia' in early 20th century (hey it's 'just' one century after the end of EU4 Earlier than Hindustan...) Still Arabian NIs.
4) Al - Andalus - possible to form by Granada or countries from Maghreb region after (re)conquering Iberian Peninsula. Historically was precedessor to the Emirate of Granada. Adopts Granada/Berber NIs, depending on country forming.
5) Myanmar - in the Art of War this area will be divided on many smaller states so unificating them should be possible. Why 'Myanmar' instead of 'Burma'? http://goo.gl/BqfFv Adopts Taungoo NIs.
6) Siam - possible to form by Ayyuthaia (or any different Thai country). Forming Siam includes adopting Absolute Monarchy, Ayyuthaian NIs, bonus towards Western tech.
7) Kurdistan - new culture in the Middle East. Possible to appear through rebellion/event (not sure if AOW will have some Kurdish small state, if yes - forming Kurdistan should be possible via it). Unique NIs.
8) Maghreb - Morocco + Fez + Algiers + Tunisia. Historically existed as Almoravid Empire but Almoravid is the name of past (extinct) dynasty. Still Berber NIs.
9) Durrani - possible to form by Afghanistan/Afghan countries if they control Afganistan + Pakistan + Nishapur. Unique NIs.
10) Srivivaya - possible to form by Aceh if Srivivaya dynasty still exists. Requires owning Sumatra and Peninsular Malaya. Allows on conversion to Buddhism. Still Malay NIs.
11) Vietnam - requires being Dai Viet and owning provinces of Champa + these 1-2 provinces of Khmer which exist today as southern ('Nam') part of country.
12) Somalia - Adal + Ajuraan (essentially, Somali countries).
13) Missisipi - Native American Empire constisting of provinces of 9 tribes close to Missisipi River: Cree, Chocksaw, Cherokee, Osage, Caddo, Pawnee, Susquehannock, Miami. Capital in Cahokia. As much ahistorical as Hindustan.
14) Turkey - possible to form by Beylik countries owning all Turkey area if Ottoman Empire doesn't exist, or by OE if it doesn't have European provinces besides Constantinople but has all Turkey. Or something like that.
15) Ghana Empire - possible to form by Macina or Jenne (AOW Western Africa). Unique NIs.
16) Hausa - possible to form by any of Hausa state owning all Hausa culture provinces. Unique NIs.
17) Illyria - proposed by some people instead of Yugoslavia. I guess it should be formable by Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro/Serbia/Albania if a country owns all other mentioned states. Unique NIs.
18) Europe - wait! Of course it is ahistorical! I simply think it should be a sexy option for countries dominating European continent, so it would look lovely to see 'Europe' instead of for example absurdly big 'Alsace'

RESTORED EMPIRES

Mongol Empire - possible to form via Hordes uniting, well, Hordes from Kazakhstan to Manchu.
The Caliphate - the result of 'Unify Islam' decision.
Majapahit Empire - Majapahit in 1444 starts as small Javanese nation, the remnant of greatest Indonesian empire ever (from medieval era). Restoring it would be nice. Unique NIs. Alternate names: Indonesia, Nusantara.
Khmer Empire - possible to restore by Khmer if they control Cambodia, Thailand and Laos.
Celestial Empire - what I am talking about in this case is non - Ming Chinese nation (Zhou, Shun, Xi) restoring unique 'Celestial Empire' government after owning all Han + Cantonese provinces, not sure if it is already possible in game.

NEW COLONIAL STATES

Australia
Philippines
South Africa
California



Bonus: a bunch of completely crazy completely ahistorical ideas just for fun.

Celticia - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany.
North Sea Empire - Denmark, Norway, England, Scotland
Balkania - Yugoslavia + Bulgaria + Romania
Great Finland - Finland + Karelia + Ingria
as - Sudan - Western Africa united
Dravida - souther Indian cultural union
Transoxania - Uzbek-Turkem-Taji-Kyrgyz-Kazakh-stans
Interior - Native North American union of all Western tribes
Gallia - France... with Animist religion
Assyrian Empire - Syria + conquering hella lot of Middle East
Caucasus - all Caucasian cultures united

Where is my wendish empire?