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Personally I don't care if a nation is historically accurate. After an hour of play the game is very different from history. I just like the goal of working towards a formable nation. Even if it is Ahistorical in many peoples eyes. Why? Because it's a lot of fun. So throw in as many formable nations as you can.
 

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Illyria/Yugoslavia. I know it's ahistorical as hell but having a formable for the Balkan region would be fun. Lotharingia is more rooted in the timeperiod, but there's really no need to include it.

What I'd rather see are more dynamic DHEs, like the Commonwealth having a chance of being between Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, and Lithuania - with any one of them being the senior - instead of it always being Poland dominated PLC. Or an Iberian union that isn't always Castile + Portugal.
 

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We just have Greece as a formable in the Balkans.. Kinda boring right?
It would be nice to have an Illyria as a formable for sure...

We have to discuss which formable nations would really fit Europa Universalis actually.. Lets start making a serious list to, deliver it :p
 

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We have to discuss which formable nations would really fit Europa Universalis actually.. Lets start making a serious list to, deliver it :p

Nations - none! Titles - probably many. Forming nations makes no sense at all in EUs periods' context. With titles I mean political units that are rooted in administrative traditions rather than the unity of some kind of nation. For example, Venezia did not drop its claim on the kingdoms Negroponte, Cyprus, Candia and Morea, although the territories connected to these titles were conquered by the Otomans. I don't know if any of these kingdoms are actually in the game. In fact Venice desperatly held on to these titles since these - as "royal" titles - were much more prestigious than being a pure republic. Being nothing but a republic gave Venice many disadvantages in diplomatic ceremonial.
 

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Or an Iberian union that isn't always Castile + Portugal.
There should also be an option to form Spain with Castile+Portugal. Maybe change the Iberian Marriage event, so that there's a small chance for a PU between Castille and Portugal - or let it happen if a player's Aragon.
 

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Austria-Hungry is a dumb idea, just sayin'. Just because it happened historically after the game time-frame, doesn't mean it should be included. The basic idea behind it would then make sense with any combination of countries, using the same argument of its inclusion. Why not a France-Spain nation if France inherits Spain on the basis that the Spaniards want what the Hungarians wanted?

Its just a dumb idea and unfitting for the time period :)
 

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I think something that needs to be added is, rather than just more tags, is the ability to change a nation's name/flag/color without changing the tag, either by decision or by player action (or specific AI coding). It's proven that the three are distinct (see: colonial nations, client states). So rather than creating a separate United Kingdom tag, create a decision that will change the name and flag while keeping the GBR tag. This will also solve the problems of multiple similar countries existing solely because they have different tags (like France and Rev. France, or having Naples, Sicily, and Two Sicilies all coexisting). Since a lot of the proposed formable nations are not culture unions, there's nothing in particular that needs to be added to the tag.

Though, for that matter, you could just add the culture union to a tag while just changing the name and consolidate the number of tags. Scotland forms Great Britain? Instead of changing to a GBR tag intended for England, it stays SCO but changes its name (and color slightly, similar to ENG -> GBR) and gains the British culture union status.

EDIT: Relatedly, add dynastic tags similar to CKII (for certain Muslim states/China/etc) that automatically change name if dynasty does.
 

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I like how, in a game where everything falls under alternate history as soon as you press start, people say that "ahistoric countries" shouldn't be formable.
 

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Then they should implement it. Just reduce the size of Westphalia to fit Lippe in there.
Why Lippe, specifically? And not Hoya, Mark, Minden or Ravensberg? IMO it should be Hoya and Mark as that would give Hannover and Prussia historical footholds in the regions (which could be simulated by missions in the game).

That region in general is quite ill-represented most notable being the lack of Jülich.
 

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I like how, in a game where everything falls under alternate history as soon as you press start, people say that "ahistoric countries" shouldn't be formable.

It's not that being ahistorical is the problem; no one complains about Malaya, for example, it's being totally implausible like the suggested 'North Sea empire', 'Great Mandala' or 'Yugoslavia'.
 
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It's not that being ahistorical is the problem; no one complains about Malaya, for example, it's being totally implausible like the suggested 'North Sea empire' or 'Great Mandala'.

Or Austria-Hungary which just existed in real life because of very special circumstances.
 

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Why Lippe, specifically? And not Hoya, Mark, Minden or Ravensberg? IMO it should be Hoya and Mark as that would give Hannover and Prussia historical footholds in the regions (which could be simulated by missions in the game).

That region in general is quite ill-represented most notable being the lack of Jülich.

Germany could be reworked..
More little states = more fun & challenging