More formable countries

[VI Imre]

Ugh, not this thing again, Ottomans=/=Turkey.

The Ottoman dynasty was heavily Greek influenced and saw itself as the Islamic successor to the Roman Empire. They even had their own version of Turkish full of Persian and Arabic loanwords, they filled their bureaucracy with Persian speaking foreigners. They were not a Turkish nation state. Rum might fit that role better, but even Rum was primarily influenced by the Persian culture.

CK2-wise, Ottomans at the beginning start with the Kingdom of Anatolia/Turkey/Rum/etc, later they claim the Roman throne. IMHO this aspect is represented very well by the Emperor tier upgrade. The important thing is -- because this is the point -- that the Anatolian minors shouldn't be able to form the Ottomans and Ottomans are no longer Ottomans when the Bayezid dynasty succeeds to the throne. Therefore the gameplay mechanic change I've suggested in the previous post.

 

[War_lord]

CK2 wise, they have their own special title. I know this because I have CK 2, and historical Anatolia is further inland, the part of modern day Turkey the Ottomans controlled was at the time considered part of the Greek heartland.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

I like this idea.

Hey wiz could we get Serbia as a formable counttry for serbian culture countries? Like forming Serbia with Montenegro and keeping montenegrin ideas?

 

[Von Lauenburg]

Ability to restore Coptic Egypt as Ethiopia or any other coptic African power would be nice.

 

[moscal]

Ability to restore Coptic Egypt as Ethiopia or any other coptic African power would be nice.

Coptic Egypt - Egypt with Coptic religion. This not need new tag.

 

[Von Lauenburg]

Coptic Egypt - Egypt with Coptic religion. This not need new tag.

Problem is, that egypt is in arabic cultural group, has corresponding flag and can be formed only with adm tech 20. The result of the Mamelukes' development.
It is actually another country, while I am talking about restoring the original one.
It would also add some flavour to African non-arabic countries.

 

[Kalandros-X]

IMHO Caliphate should be the government rank for an Islamic Empire. High/great Imamate just sounds... Wrong.

 

[Kalandros-X]

The Stuarts coming to power over England was a long shot. If the Plantagenet cadet houses hadn't essentially exterminated themselves in the War of the Roses, and then the Tudors failed to make it into a fourth generation (Henry > Henry > Edward/Mary/Elizabeth), then there wouldn't have been an inheritance like that. It shouldn't be an event, since it wasn't in any way likely previous to Henry VIII's children all failing to breed.

Can't that be made just like the PLC decision?

•Dynasty is Tudor
•has no heir
•Scotland
•Dynasty is Stuart

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Can't that be made just like the PLC decision?

•Dynasty is Tudor
•has no heir
•Scotland
•Dynasty is Stuart

Perhaps, but then again you're presupposing that there's a connection between the two families 120 years into the game would have formed regardless. It would make no sense if, as sometimes happens, you haven't got a recent RM between the two countries. Bear in mind that Scotland getting the PU over England can happen by the normal mechanics (We have a RM, your throne is empty - surprise PU!), and that to be properly historical the decision/event would have to place England as the junior (difficult as this is for gameplay).

 

[jcronin1995]

I would like to see "Iberia" as a formable nation. And maybe "Europa".

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

I would like to see "Iberia" as a formable nation. And maybe "Europa".

Iberia is already covered by Spain, at least conceptually. Portugal was effectively considered one of the Spains in the title "king of all the spains"

Unless you mean the other Iberia?

Europa would be too large a polity to have as a formable, at least in my opinion, and it'd be tricky to work out what you have to control to form it, and what the claims should be.

 

[moscal]

Problem is, that egypt is in arabic cultural group, has corresponding flag and can be formed only with adm tech 20. The result of the Mamelukes' development.
It is actually another country, while I am talking about restoring the original one.
It would also add some flavour to African non-arabic countries.

Ethiopia have 3 goverment rank (empire). Only for minor coptic state in East Africa Horn need decision to reconstruction Ethiopia Empire (if Ethiopia is dead) for a quick gain 3 gov. rank.

Egypt and Copts for Ethiopia - I see decisions with creation of an independent Patriarchate of Alexandria. If Byzantium fall, and Russia is not created, all Orthodox countries convert to Coptic. Patriarchal authority would have a influence in all world for all coptic state.

 

[WeissRaben]

I would like to see "Iberia" as a formable nation. And maybe "Europa".

"Iberia" is Spain. By 2015, Portugal has cut itself away from the modern concept of Spain; but All the Spains included Portugal as well.

 

[Will Steel]

I would like to see "Iberia" as a formable nation. And maybe "Europa".

Then I would also like 'Asia' and 'Africa' as formable nations. Because they are as implausible as 'Europa'.

 

[chrnno]

Then I would also like 'Asia' and 'Africa' as formable nations. Because they are as implausible as 'Europa'.

I would say they are even more implausible since Europe at least is a socio-cultural construct linking all countries together so there is at least something in common to build off.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

I would say they are even more implausible since Europe at least is a socio-cultural construct linking all countries together so there is at least something in common to build off.

Not really. The nearest you get is either the HRE (already there, and fairly limited), or the Roman Empire (didn't include Ireland, Scotland, parts of England, Scandinavia, parts of Eastern Europe, and some sections of Germany. Alternatively there's the concept of linking all of Christendom, but that'd include parts of Egypt, some of North Africa, Ethiopia, and maybe a couple of spots near India. After all, what common heritage do a Welshman, a Basque, an Albanian, and a Pole have?

 

[grandadmiralbob]

I'm still waiting on a response to the Tatarastan suggestion, since we are about to have extra Horde content.

 

[Grand Historian]

I like this idea.

Could Rum be the primary nation of Turkish?

 

[chrnno]

Not really. The nearest you get is either the HRE (already there, and fairly limited), or the Roman Empire (didn't include Ireland, Scotland, parts of England, Scandinavia, parts of Eastern Europe, and some sections of Germany. Alternatively there's the concept of linking all of Christendom, but that'd include parts of Egypt, some of North Africa, Ethiopia, and maybe a couple of spots near India. After all, what common heritage do a Welshman, a Basque, an Albanian, and a Pole have?

As I said Europe. Where Asia and Africa are purely geographical distinctions with nothing tying the whole together Europe is a socio-cultural one distinguishing a group from others. It is not much but something no matter how tiny is infinitely greater than nothing.

 

[Woifee]

Still not enough for it's own Europe tag.