More formable countries

[LDC7]

I'd like to see more formable countries. Examples:

Spoiler: China

*Western
*China culture group
*Adm tech 20
*Capital = Beijing
*some important provinces
-new tag
-trade bonus
-production bonus

Spoiler: Turkey

*Western (mb Anatolian. Instead "fast western decision")
*Turkish culture group(Ottaman, Karaman, Ramazan...)
*Adm tech 20
*Byzantium destroyed
*some important provinces(Istanbul, Ankara)
-new tag
-republic

Spoiler: Austria-Hungary

*tag = Aus or Hun
*union
*good opinion
*Adm tech 10
*some conditions
-new tag
-recognition cultures

Spoiler: Caliphate

//mb instead unity islam
*Muslim
*much piety
*100% religion
*Goverment: monarchy
*some conditions
-new tag
-recognition cultures
-Iqta

P.S. It's game. We have Suez Canal, RevoltByzantium, etc. Need more capabilities.

P.P.S. Please, make decision "Cancel Sejm"(ElectiveMonarchy) for custom countries.

P.P.P.S. Sorry, if i wrote something wrong.

 

[Zwirbaum]

Nope

 

[AluminumSoldier]

Many mods add extra formable nations. I like the Extended Vanilla Experience mod myself. I don't really see a need to add them to the base game though.

 

[LDC7]

I want it with Ironmode and achivments

 

[LoriKe]

Actually Austria-Hungary wasn't a single country, rather it was two entities (The Kingdom of Hungary and the Empire of Austria).

And the fact that it isn't called Austrian Empire is because the hungarians have succesfully revolved against the Austrians but rather than seeking independence (and then be eaten by other powers) choosed to remain in union under Austria, altough not a personal union because this wouldn't dissolve if the emperor would die, but something similar.

Shorlty Austria-Hungary is Hungary under Austrian union and not a single tag.

 

[Noel84]

Austrio-hungary was formed because of a hungarian revolt and INCREASED hungary's autonomy greatly.
China should only be formed by a republic

You don't FORM a caliphate. When the ottoman empire became the caliphate they were still the ottoman empire, their emperor just had a shiny new title to throw around

 

[Dutchman251]

You have a little point, but your suggestions are bad ones. Though the caliphate should be a government form, rather than a decision.

Some more formables should be in the new world, especially in the Caribbean, Brazilian and eastern US region.
Something like Cuba and the Confederacy.

 

[Closet Skeleton]

Since Islamic republics pop up ahistorically anyway, I can't say ahistorical republican nations is a stupid idea. Egypt is in the game already. They just don't make much sense as objectives.

You have a little point, but your suggestions are bad ones. Though the caliphate should be a government form, rather than a decision.

A Caliphate is basically a monarchy, nothing special. The weirder countries are the ones like the Mamlukes and (before the game) Seljuks which had a Caliph but he wasn't the actual effective head of state. Mamlukes are weird enough that they could have their own government type since they weren't really a hereditary monarchy.

 

[spyroware1]

I want a China tag as well. We say England/France and not Tudors or Bourbons because that wouldn't make any sense for us. I find it almost bigoted that we're so comfortable with Ming/Qing and not China.

Also add Siam, Dravida, Occitania, Lombardy, Illyria-Yugoslavia in some form, and a real Kingdom of God.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Why would your admin 20 china be western tech?

Why would Turkey (I presume from Ottomans?) be automatically a republic?

 

[Issac1709]

China should only be formed by a republic

The Chinese government disagree with you.

 

[WeissRaben]

Actually Austria-Hungary wasn't a single country, rather it was by two entities (The Kingdom of Hungary and the Empire of Austria).

And the fact that it isn't called Austrian Empire is because the hungarians have succesfully revolved against the Austrians but rather than seeking independence (and then be eaten by other powers) choosed to remain in union under Austria, altough not a personal union because this wouldn't dissolve if the emperor would die, but something similar.

Shorlty Austria-Hungary is Hungary under Austrian union and not a single tag.

Yep. A-H was a nation split, not formation - Austria went from owning those territories directly to having them in a PU (in EU4 terms).

 

[Issac1709]

Yep. A-H was a nation split, not formation - Austria went from owning those territories directly to having them in a PU (in EU4 terms).

Technically not PU, since (as simple as possible) while Austria had de jure power over Hunguary, it needed Hungary's approval to do things (aka declare war on Serbia) , it is basically Scotland and the UK/England is today.

 

[neondt]

I want a China tag as well. We say England/France and not Tudors or Bourbons because that wouldn't make any sense for us. I find it almost bigoted that we're so comfortable with Ming/Qing and not China.

Those aren't analogous. If we were to call Tudor England "Tudors", Qing would be "Aisin Gioro". The names of Chinese dynasties refer to both the ruling house and the country itself.

 

[ELPhantomII]

The Chinese government disagree with you.

Why? It's called the People's REPUBLIC of China.

Edit: Also, I disagree on actually having a "China" tag for this time period. Even though the West knew the state as China, the current dynasty knew itself by its dynastic name. For example, the Ming Dynasty knew itself as "the Great Ming", and most other dynasties before the Ming were literally just known as "[name] dynasty".

 

[Reboundingdice]

Why? It's called the People's REPUBLIC of China.

Maybe for China it could be a civil war once the event starts for it.

 

[LoriKe]

North Korea is called Democratic People's Republic of Korea so... altough China is more democratic... or at least they do have free trade, that's all what i know

 

[Nikolaj-11]

North Korea is called Democratic People's Republic of Korea so... altough China is more democratic... or at least they do have free trade, that's all what i know

DPRK is democratic tho. They just happen to only have one candidate. All a coincidence!

 

[PiriReis]

Something for the Tatar culture group.

 

[moscal]

Something for the Tatar culture group.

Nope. Might as well make the pan-Germanic State (Portugal, Spain, France, England, Italy, Germany, Scandinavia - this all is postgermanic state).