More Cultures?

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Cornish?

I agree with more cultures that GoblinCookie and Yakman suggest!!!

I saw a coder had altered some of the cultures: for instance gave the Bretons Welsh culture. Thouugh I like this I think Breton- though very very close to Welsh- has enough difference to warrent a seperate culture.

Coptic is a very goiod idea- and wouldnt it be interesting of we could play Etheopia?!!! What if THEY got Crusader happy?

Also.. I wish we could play a Mulsim country too.

In addition to Welsh and Breton, Cornish was (is) a seperate eastern Celtic culture. If it is a problem to create a seperate one-county culture, then making it Welsh or Breton would be a more preferable alternative to English, I think.

 

[Havard]

In addition to Welsh and Breton, Cornish was (is) a seperate eastern Celtic culture. If it is a problem to create a seperate one-county culture, then making it Welsh or Breton would be a more preferable alternative to English, I think.

Cornwall is already made Welsh in the lastest beta.

 

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I think we all can agree that - given the fact that there is a very limited number of cultures in game (I believe the number not in use is less than a dozen) - Cornwall isn't quite big enough to justify its own (whether we're talking just the one county or three), especially in a place where there's special culture conversion events in play *and* other, very similar cultures.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the rulers are Norman anyway. So we wouldn't be seeing too many Cornish nobility.

I think treating Cornish as Welsh is a good compromise between their Celticness and the fact that the few available cultures can better be used elsewhere (if only, like in the case of Brittany, because those cultures cover more territory).

 

[Alexandru H.]

Sheridan, the problem is that the game introduced some form of "pecheneg" culture, that dissapeared completely in less than 100 years but "forgot" to introduce a culture quite different from the "slavic" sea, with about 30 million actual representatives. I consider myself a Moldavian rather than a Vlach (our zone kinda resents the "vlach" culture, if you know what I mean), but there is injustice concerning them.

Now, I understand hungarians that don't want to place them north of Danube. But, at least, give them a Balkan home. The vlachs were quite important (numberwise) in the area of Strymon, South Serbia, Thessaly, Istria (the bulgarian uprising of 1185 is of vlach origin and the Asen dinasty is of vlachish). Disregarding this on the basis of national pride is not a rational argument, but a call to peace and compromise. Where is the compromise?

Frankly, I wouldn't be interested in this, since the game is easy to mod and cultures haven't got game-breaking influence (except for some different names). But, at some point, you have to choose your camps...

 

[Tzar Kalojan]

(the bulgarian uprising of 1185 is of vlach origin and the Asen dinasty is of vlachish).

Where did you get that info from ?!

 

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A newest update on the map...
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/CK_cultures.rar

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Good update Finellach, have you read my post about the Rusyn in the Culture thread in the Beta forum? The only problem really is I'm not sure what we should classify them as Unless they're given a whole new culture (which I don't this is warranted).

I've been thinking, Dalmatia as Italian is on the right track but not too accurate. Dalmatian as a language evolved relatively independantly until the Venetians and remained equally influenced by Serbo-Croatian as Venetian. Then again three provs probably don't constitute a new culture though.

 

[Alexandru H.]

I think it's a good update. And, on second thought, Vlach should be used, instead of Romanian... it offers a medieval feel, without being entirely wrong...

 

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Good update Finellach, have you read my post about the Rusyn in the Culture thread in the Beta forum? The only problem really is I'm not sure what we should classify them as Unless they're given a whole new culture (which I don't this is warranted).

Yes I have read and I replied to you. The thing is that the counties in CK are named by towns which are today in Hungary and thus Hungarian. Perhaps we can make c537 but I am not very sure about that. And bgtw. Ruthene is the latin word for Russian thus they should fall in into Rus(or Russian to those who prefer it) culture.

I've been thinking, Dalmatia as Italian is on the right track but not too accurate. Dalmatian as a language evolved relatively independantly until the Venetians and remained equally influenced by Serbo-Croatian as Venetian. Then again three provs probably don't constitute a new culture though.

I am well aware of this. Even whole Italy wasn't "Italian" but was divided in few different cultures/language counties.
The thing is again that we don't have enough tags. Personally I would prefer to have some kind of independant Latin tag, but since that is imposibble I chose the closest posibble.

Edit: on the other hand I think we could make Bereg(c537) and Saris(c533) Ruthenian/Rus/Russian.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

There used to be a latin tag but they're using it for Occitan now. Also I'd like to see a seperate Nubian culture. Having an African people put as 'arabs' does not make any sense. They're history, their cultural, everything was different. Historically, in 1066 the regions that are Quena and Aswan and everything south of that should be Nubian (really just a blanket term including the African Beja along the red Sea and of course, the Nubians)

 

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Unfortunately there is no room for Nubian. Don't get it why Paradox didn't put it in the first place....I don't get it why they didn't made a lot of things regarding culture tags....

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Yes, I don't really see why they even bothered to put the Kingdom of Makurra (the Nubian Kingdom partially represented on the map, there where many and having one isn't correct) in the game if THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ALL OF IN IT!

The Balearics should be Berber, shouldn't they? They where conquered by the Moorish Caliphate of Corboda afterall

 

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Ok, again new map....
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/CK_cultures.rar

I transfered c468(Ragusa) to Serbian culture since this province is totally wrong. It should be having separate Latin-Dalmatian culture but since we don't have it the best is Italian, but still this province is totally of wrong shape and size and is holding Serb areas. I've come to final descion that it should be Serbia. Still in the game it will be held by Catholic Italians&Croats(as a Reublic).

The next I transfered are c494(Adrianpole). I was brought to attention that it wasn't Bulgarian city and looking at the map it does seemed a bit wrong...so I transfered it back to Greek culture.

c533(Saris), c537(Bereg) and c545(Torki) are transfered to Rus/Russian.
This also caused me to transfer c513(Birlad) to Pechenegs.

Baleares are now Berber.

Personally I think we are nearing to a final solution.

 

[Tzar Kalojan]

I really hope everybody will be pleased with the recent changes. Maybe they will be included in the next beta ? who knows

 

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I really hope everybody will be pleased with the recent changes. Maybe they will be included in the next beta ? who knows

I hope so. It would also be an immense compliment to me. o

 

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Speaking of cultures...
I don't think Occitan and Catalan cultures should be separated, as Catalonia and Occitania spoke more or less the same language during that period... If you separate them, then you should separate Gascon and Occitan cultures too... And aragonese and castillian too... And that could lead us to creating many many cultures, without enough free tags to put them...

 

[Semi-Lobster]

True but that may also cause some problems for the converter to EUII

 

[Quift]

Very nice work indeed. The map is really pretty. Now, what are we to do with it?

 

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Very nice work indeed. The map is really pretty. Now, what are we to do with it?

Now when the 1.05 patch comes out I'll try to introduce those cultures. I'll probably make it on bugfix mod and on vanilla 1.05 versions.

 

[Kochtopfhelm]

True but that may also cause some problems for the converter to EUII

But occitan become italian anyway (at least when i tried it), so the southern half of france is italian (imagine what a giant papal states will that be ) That's already a problem...