Monument Suggestions

[JCommander]

(EDIT oops sorry I posted this too early stand by for edits. I suppose I now I can get hired as a Paradox dev...)

Preface: Given the current state of the game, this obviously isn't any kind of priority for the devs. To be quite honest, I think a large part of this thread is just me writing fanfiction as a coping mechanism. With that out of the way...

Sidenote: more monument upgrades should be locked behind specific tech levels for historical era reasons. For example, given the historical era in which it was built, Pena Palace should require around lvl. 36 admin tech

Sidenote #2: I tried to be creative with what kinds of bonuses each monument gives and how they interact with other game mechanics, which I'm aware makes them tricky to implement, but whatever I already acknowledged this is basically fanfiction.

St. Basil's Cathedral
Can't be upgraded until 14 admin tech
Located In: Moskva (295)
Noteworthy

• +.25% annual Patriarch Authority
• +1% missionary strength

Significant

• +.33% annual Patriarch Authority
• +1.5% missionary strength
• -25% missionary maintenance

Magnificent

• +.33% annual Patriarch Authority
• +2% missionary strength
• -50% missionary maintenance
• -1 unrest and +10% tax in states with Metropolitan

Oxford University
Located in: Oxford(234)
Noteworthy

• -5% tech cost

Significant

• -7.5% tech cost
• +10% institution spread in the Britain region
• Spreads spawned institutions

Magnificent

• -10% tech cost
• +10% institution spread in the Britain region
• Spreads spawned institutions
• -10% idea cost

Great Mosque of Djenne
Only usable by Muslim
Located In: Jenne (1134)
Noteworthy

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith

Significant

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith
• +1% missionary strength
• +1% yearly Devoutness if Theocracy

Magnificent

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith
• +2% missionary strength
• +1% yearly Devoutness if Theocracy
• -2 national unrest scaling bonus at 100% legalism
• +15% manpower recovery bonus at 100% mysticism

Sankore Madrasah
Only usable by Muslim
Located In: Timbuktu (1132)
Noteworthy

• -0.5% tech cost per Tolerance of the True Faith

Significant

• +1% missionary strength
• -1.5% tech cost per Tolerance of the True Faith

Magnificent

• +1% missionary strength
• -2.5% tech cost per Tolerance of the True Faith
• -1% idea cost per Tolerance of the True Faith

Benin Earthworks
Only usable by West African tech group
Located In: Benin (1147)
Noteworthy

• +10% local defensiveness

Significant

• +15% local defensiveness
• +1 local fort level

Magnificent

• +25% local defensiveness
• +10% national defensiveness
• +2 local fort level

Husuni Kubwa
Only usable by East Bantu cultures
Located In: Kilwa (1196)
Noteworthy

• +1 yearly legitimacy

Significant

• +1 yearly legitimacy
• +10% trade power in area

Magnificent

• +1 yearly legitimacy
• +25% trade power in area
• +1% trade efficiency per 25 vassal development, up to 25% trade efficiency

Dome of the Rock
Only usable by Muslim
Located In: al-Quds (379)
Noteworthy

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith
• +1 missionary
• +10 diplomatic relations with all Muslim countries

Significant

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith
• +1 missionary
• +15 diplomatic relations with all Muslim countries
• +2% missionary strength

Magnificent

• +2 tolerance of the True Faith
• +1 missionary
• +25 diplomatic relations with all Muslim countries
• +3% missionary strength

Kotel
Only usable by Jewish
Located In: Jerusalem (379)
Noteworthy

• +1 tolerance of the true faith

Significant

• +2 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary
• +1% missionary strength

Magnificent

• +2 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary
• +1% missionary strength
• -1 national unrest
• JEWISH MECHANIC HERE IF WE EVER GET ONE

Church of the Nativity
Only usable by Christian
Located In: Jerusalem (379)

Noteworthy

• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary

Significant

• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• +1% missionary strength
• +1 missionary

Magnificent

• +2 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary
• +2% missionary strength
• +1 tolerance of heretics

Masjid al-Haram
Only usable by Muslim
Located In: Mecca (385)
Noteworthy

• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary

Significant

• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 missionary
• Every time a Muslim takes the "To Mecca!" option in the "Hajj" event, receive 15% of the ducats they spent
• Going on the Hajj yourself is 50% cheaper

Magnificent

• +2 tolerance of the true faith
• +1 tolerance of heretics
• +1 missionary
• Every time a Muslim takes the "To Mecca!" option in the "Hajj" event, receive 25% of the ducats they spent
• Going on the Hajj yourself is free

Mosque of 'Ali
Only usable by Shia
Located in: Karbala (409)
Noteworthy

• +1 missionary
• +1 tolerance of the true faith

Significant

• +1 missionary
• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• -1 tolerance of heretics
• +2% missionary strength

Magnificent

• +1 missionary
• +1 tolerance of the true faith
• Feudal Theocracy interactions no lower cost mana
• Feudal Theocracy and Iqta interactions cool down 50% faster
• -2 tolerance of heretics
• +3% missionary strength

Arsenal of Venice
Located in: Venezia (112)
Noteworthy

• -10% galley cost
• +10% galley build time

Significant

• -15% galley cost
• +15% galley build time
• +10% galley combat ability

Magnificent

• -25% galley cost
• +25% galley build time
• +15% galley combat ability
• -50% galley sailors cost
• Every time you build a Galley, gain 10 / yearly income mercantilism (it's possible Mercantilism doesn't have this many digits)

Leiden University
Requires Admin tech 15
Located In: Den Haag (4383)
Noteworthy

• -10% local development cost

Significant

• -15% local development cost
• -5% tech cost

Magnificent

• -25% local development cost
• Universities now give -33% development cost instead of -25%
• -10% tech cost

Santa Maria del Fiore
Located In: Firenze (116)
Only usable or Upgradable if you've embraced Renaissance
Noteworthy

• +1 yearly prestige

Significant

• +1 yearly prestige
• -1% advisor costs per 10 prestige

Magnificent-

• +1 yearly prestige
• -2% advisor costs per 10 prestige
• -1% prestige decay

Corvin Castle
Location: Hunyad (1951)
Noteworthy

• +10% local defensiveness

Significant

• +15% local defensiveness
• +10% Nobility loyalty equilibrium

Magnificent

• +20% local defensiveness
• +15% Nobility loyalty equilibrium
• Granting privileges to the Nobility costs 50% less crown land

University of Kraków
Located In: Krakow (262)
Noteworthy

• +5% research speed
• Spreads Renaissance to Krakow province

Significant

• +7.5% research speed
• Spreads Renaissance to Krakow province
• -10% national development cost

Magnificent

• +10% research speed
• Spreads Renaissance to Krakow province
• -15% national development cost
• -5% idea cost per Tolerance of Heathens

The Red Fort
Requires 15 military tech
Located In: Delhi (522)
Noteworthy

• +10% local defensiveness

Significant

• +15% local defensiveness
• +1 yearly prestige

Magnificent

• +25% local defensiveness
• +1 yearly prestige
• +1 Infantry shock

Aachen Cathedral
Must be Christian, and have the same religion as the Emperor
Located In: Aachen (1878)
Noteworthy

• +10 diplomatic relations with same-faith Imperial princes

Significant

• +0.05 monthly Imperial Authority (if held by the Emperor or an ally)
• +15 diplomatic relations with same-faith Imperial princes

Magnificent

• +0.10 monthly Imperial Authority (if held by the Emperor or an ally)
• +25 diplomatic relations with same-faith Imperial princes
• Grants a % modifier to Imperial Authority equal to 10% of your stored Church Power or Papal Influence.

Fortifications of Xi'an
Located In: Xi'an (700)
Noteworthy

• +10% local defensiveness

Significant

• +15% local defensiveness
• +1 fort level

Magnificent

• -0.05% monthly devastation (global)
• +25% local defensiveness
• +2 fort levels

Porcelain Tower
Only usable by Eastern religions
Located In: Nanjing (1821)
Noteworthy

• -1 local unrest (area)

Significant

• -1 local unrest (area)
• -25% local state maintenance

Magnificent

• -1 local unrest (area)
• -2.5% tech cost per harmonized faith
• -50% local state maintenance

Big Wild Goose Pagoda
Only usable by Mahayana, Theravada, or Vajrayana,
or by Confucian with at least one of those faiths Harmonized,
or by Tengri with one of those faiths Syncretic
Location: Xi'an (700)
avada, or Vajrayana

Location: Lhasa

Noteworthy
Noteworthy

• For Buddhist: +5% yearly Karma decay
• For Confucian: +0.25 yearly Harmony
• For Tengri: +1 tolerance of Heathens

Significant

• For Buddhist: +10% yearly Karma decay
• For Confucian: +.33 yearly Harmony
• For Tengri: +1.5 Tolerance of Heathens

Magnificent

• For Buddhist: +15% yearly Karma decay
• For Confucian: +.5 yearly Harmony
• For Tengri: +2 Tolerance of Heathens

Potala Palace
Only usable by Mahayana, Theravada, or Vajrayana
Location: Lhasa (677)
Noteworthy

• +0.5 yearly devotion
• +5% local defensiveness from temples

Significant

• +1 yearly devotion
• +10% local defensiveness from temples

Magnificent

• +1.5 yearly devotion
• +20% local defensiveness from temples
• scaling bonus of -5% discipline to 5% discipline from 0 to 100 Devotion

Kashi Vishwanath
Only usable by Hindu
Located in Varanasi (2095)
Notable

• -1 local unrest (area)
• +1 missionary

Significant

• -1 local unrest
• +1 Tolerance of the True Faith
• +1 missionary

Magnificent

• -2 local unrest
• +2 tolerance of the True Faith
• +1 missionary
• +2% missionary strength

Edinburgh Castle
Location: Lothian (248)
Notable:

• +15% local defensiveness

Significant

• +25% local defensiveness
• +0.5 yearly legitimacy

Magnificent

• +25% local defensiveness
• +1 yearly legitimacy
• +1 fort level
• +15% defensiveness in the local area

Gyeongbokgung
Only usable by Korean culture or nations with Korean culture accepted
Location: Hanseong (735)
Notable

• +0.25 legitimacy
• +0.5 meritocracy

Significant

• +0.5 legitimacy
• +1 meritocracy
• +5% all estate loyalty

Magnificent

• +1 legitimacy
• +2 meritocracy
• +10% all estate loyalty
• -1 national unrest

Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple
Only usable by Hindu
Located in Madurai (536) (I think? could be Samarkand)
Notable

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith

Significant

• +1 tolerance of the True Faith
• Shakti now gives an additional +5% goods produced
• Vishnu now gives an additional -10% land attrition

Magnificent

• +2 tolerance of the True Faith
• Shakti's bonus increased to +10% goods produced
• Vishnu's bonus increased to -25% land attrition
• Unlocks the Change Personal Deity decision on a ten-year cooldown

Note: I'm deliberately not including some structures that were constructed very near the end of EU4's timeframe, such as the Brandenburg Gate and the Arc de Triumph.
Some of this is definately pretty unbalanced - although not as unbalanced as Concentrate Development - so please give feedback! I also really enjoy coming up with these so reply with more ideas - feasible or not!

 

[Lukas the Great]

You could also add Kaaba since its one of the most holy sites of Islam.

 

[Jimmyfeellucky]

Tons of Italy monuments need adding since Italian minors can play tall. Especially the ones built during Renaissance.

For Champa I highly suggest the Po Nagar tower and/or My son sanctuary
For Dai Viet the Temple of Literature could give tech and/or idea cost reduction.

 

[Aramenian]

Agion Oros

Mount Athos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only usable by Orthodox
Noteworthy

• missionary_maintenance_cost = -0.10

Significant

• missionary_maintenance_cost = -0.15
• +1 missionary

Magnificent

• +2% missionary strength
• +2 missionary
• missionary_maintenance_cost = -0.20

Temple of Garni​

Temple of Garni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Etchmiadzin Cathedral​

Spoiler

Etchmiadzin Cathedral - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Vardzia​

Vardzia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hippodrome of Constantinople​

Sultanahmet Square - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Godd_Howard]

I was surprised there was no Kaaba and/or Temple in Jerusalem in the first place. They really need to fix the bugs and the development clown fiesta first but after that that's not tahat much work to add new monuments so I look forward to seeing new ones plus their models being on the world map.

Generally hard agree on everything in this post. Just don't make them waay too OP.

 

[Donlad]

love everything in here

 

[AirikrStrife]

Good suggestion, but maybe add which province they are supposed to be in as well

 

[Kewlkhat]

the kremlin
moscow

noteworthy:
+15% local defensiveness
+10% foreign spy detection

significant:
+25% local defensiveness
+20% foreign spy detection
+1 monthly tsardom government interactions progress gain

magnificent:

+35% local defensiveness
+30% foreign spy detection
+2 monthly tsardom government interactions progress gain

 

[PrussicAcid]

La Rábida would be a great addition for Castile. I think it is relevant in game's timeline perspective.

I don't know for the bonuses, but probably something to do with religion and colonization.

Fun fact: It overlooks the river Tinto. ^^

 

[navaluiki]

This may not be balanced, but whatever.

El Escorial Monastery (Madrid, ID: 217)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Escorial

noteworthy:
+0.25 Yearly absolutism
+0.25 Yearly prestige

significant:
Province modifier:
−5% Development cost

Global modifiers:
+0.5 Yearly absolutism
+0.5 Yearly prestige


magnificent:
Province modifier:
−10% Development cost

Global modifiers:
+0.75 Yearly absolutism
+0.75 Yearly prestige



Alcázar of Seville (Sevilla, ID: 224)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcázar_of_Seville

noteworthy:
−0.025 Monthly autonomy change

significant:
Province modifier:
+5% Trade efficiency
Global modifier:
−0.05 Monthly autonomy change


magnificent:
Province modifier:
10% Trade efficiency
Global modifier:
−10% Diplomatic advisor cost
−0.1 Monthly autonomy change

 

[withche.07]

@Johan
As in 1.31 Leviathan Great Projects are added, why not add one or two of the most important mosques designed by Mimar Sinan and Sedefkar Mehmet Ağa in history to list? (could be integrated into mission trees)
1. Süleymaniye Mosque (by Sinan) in Constantinople (1550-1557)

Süleymaniye Mosque - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The Süleymaniye Mosque is an Ottoman imperial mosque located on the Third Hill of Istanbul, Turkey. The mosque was commissioned by Suleiman the Magnificent and designed by the imperial architect Mimar Sinan. An inscription specifies the foundation date as 1550 and the inauguration date as 1557. Behind the qibla wall of the mosque is an enclosure containing the separate octagonal mausoleums of Suleiman the Magnificent and that of his wife Hurrem Sultan (Roxelana). For 462 years, the Süleymaniye Mosque was the largest mosque in the city, until it was surpassed by the Çamlıca Mosque in 2019. The Süleymaniye Mosque is one of the best-known sights of Istanbul, and from its location on the Third Hill, it commands an extensive view of the city around the Golden Horn.

2. Blue Mosque (by Sedefkar Mehmet Ağa) in Constantinople (1609-1616)

Blue Mosque, Istanbul - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Sultan Ahmed Mosque (Turkish: Sultan Ahmet Camii), also known as the Blue Mosque, is an Ottoman-era friday mosque located in Istanbul, Turkey. A functioning mosque, it also attracts large numbers of tourist visitors. It was constructed between 1609 and 1616 during the rule of Ahmed I. Its Külliye contains Ahmed's tomb, a madrasah and a hospice. Hand-painted blue tiles adorn the mosque’s interior walls, and at night the mosque is bathed in blue as lights frame the mosque’s five main domes, six minarets and eight secondary domes. It sits next to the Hagia Sophia, the principal mosque of Istanbul until the Blue Mosque's construction and another popular tourist site.

3. Selimiye Mosque by Mimar Sinan in Edirne (1568-1575)

Selimiye Mosque, Edirne - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The Selimiye Mosque (Turkish: Selimiye Camii) is an Ottoman imperial mosque, which is located in the city of Edirne (formerly Adrianople), Turkey. The mosque was commissioned by Sultan Selim II, and was built by the imperial architect Mimar Sinan between 1568 and 1575.[2] It was considered by Sinan to be his masterpiece and is one of the highest achievements of Islamic architecture and Ottoman architecture. It was added as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 2011.

I suggested 3 Great Mosques which were built by Ottomans in EU4 timeline, I think at least 1 one of them should be added into game.
a. Süleymaniye Mosque
b. Blue Mosque
c. Selimiye Mosque

 

[Militantti Talitintti]

Yes, EU4 definitely needs even more stat bloat. I'm sure Pdx will eventually deliver, in the form of more monuments or otherwise.

 

[Vin55]

Benin is a joke right? For africa there are not manY but Timbuktu, askum and a few others will be ok. Not even real stone walls should not be included. The region was backwards. Thos inuit rocks are also a meme. Monuments need to be big important to a region, man made and influence an area for an era.

 

[FantasticFwoosh]

Benin is a joke right? For africa there are not manY but Timbuktu, askum and a few others will be ok. Not even real stone walls should not be included. The region was backwards. Thos inuit rocks are also a meme. Monuments need to be big important to a region, man made and influence an area for an era.

Hundreds of tourists still arrive to see it, like the Grand Canyon and Balancing Rock in Utah or the Dorset-Exemouth jurassic coast and its perfect arch "Durdle Door" (which has fallen down to erosion) or the white cliffs of Dover. Monuments are as close to a "Tourism" mechanic as you would probably get when you divide it from senses of national pride and religious beliefs (Japan's Mount Fuji, Australia's Ululu, Ireland's Giants Causeway etc) and you can probably imagine the benefits coming from people visiting the area so per to say in the game and having a welcome well set up tourist or local response with sherpas, local guides, boost to the local economies etc.

I mean i could least see notable hot-springs for instance as a important if it has duality with Native American tribes as well as European Settlers, as there were significant conflicts for control of them historically speaking (NA monument to plonk yourself over and farm high TD if there isnt already a settled tribe ontop of it then move on) or even a mountain ranges like the Alps/Everest or river Ganges being interpreted as natural sub-monuments repeated with lesser bonuses across multiple.

I guess the keyword would be "Exceptional Terrain of Interest", Gibraltar Rock, The Matterhorn, Dutch Polder Waterways (being one of their own invention)

 

[Vin55]

Well today, I for one find it must be important in the game period. (Dont like Stone hendge, Ephessos and Pena for that reason). Gibaltar Rock gainend its importance as a fort for the British not because of the rock. The Matterhorn was just another mountain in an area where little economic or cultural importance was. The alpes as national treasure came later in Vic2 time period. Same for most other natural wonders (CIV has them eu4 does not need them).

I am also for a partial imbalance of monuments, where Europe and asia get loads more than the rest of the world. It was just that way. I would for balance reason limit some to cultur group, e.g. the churches of Paris, If one where to include Canterbury, Kiev and Cologne etc others are welcome like Cathedral of Sevilla or Cordoba. Some like aachen (if included) should be available for all e.g. the Kaiserpfalz of Charlemagne.

I can understand that these Rock formations can be very beautifull especially monument valley, grand canyon, briece and the area there, standing on the edge watching down shows how little we humans are. But at that time humans had little time to apreciate those wonders.

 

[fr-rein]

St. Basil's Cathedral
Can't be upgraded until 14 admin tech

Noteworthy

• +.25% annual Patriarch Authority
• -10% stability cost

Significant

• +.33% annual Patriarch Authority
• -15% stability cost
• +1 Tolerance of the True Faith

Magnificent

• +.33% annual Patriarch Authority
• -15% stability cost
• +1 Tolerance of the True Faith
• -1 unrest and +10% tax in states with Metropolitan

Lavra already does similar things...
Another issue is that in times of Troubles having this monument would be very wrong. In fact, Russia barely had enough stability - it fought vicious wars, expanded, had instability of highest order, Church reformation (actually pushed by Kievan clergy indirectly), etc.

If anything, Novgorod getting a Republican Russian monument that boosts Republican Veche tradition is a better idea in my humble opinion. Novgorod and Republican gameplay in Russia are far less viable sadly.

 

[Aramenian]

Nepal - Kathmandu Province

Swayambhunath - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if the destroyed khan's palace Tumen Amgalan Ord in the karakoram could be considered monuments ?
of course it would have to be rebuilt

It is also possible to build a Buddhist temple Erdene Zuu.

Erdene Zuu Monastery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AirikrStrife]

Problem with monuments are that they ALL can be developed 3 times, that doesn't make sense. How do you upgrade the pyramids?

Monuments are a nice idea but not well enough designed,

 

[Aramenian]

Problem with monuments are that they ALL can be developed 3 times, that doesn't make sense. How do you upgrade the pyramids?

Monuments are a nice idea but not well enough designed,

I think monuments should be divided into two types.
Upgradeable monuments

Monuments impossible to upgrade.

- Buddha Statues
- Inukshuk
- Machu Picchu
- Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
- Mount Fuji
- Parthenon
- Petra
- Stonehenge

 

[FantasticFwoosh]

I think monuments should be divided into two types.
Upgradeable monuments & Monuments impossible to upgrade.

Conquering a monument knocks one level off it, at least i remember developer diaries mentioning something to that effect taking place. So would a nice compromise instead be...

Natural/Indestructable monuments aren't destroyed but give % less bonuses with more provincial devestation and are buffed with prosperity; pillaging the capital or wonder directly in a peace deal (players declare wars for money all the time, why not take monument cash, power project and anything else too like a mission firing to explore cheops then monarch dies of mummy-curse?) renders it inactive until the truce has concluded.

Advanced/Constructed monuments decrease a level when they are targeted with peace-deal or when part of the capital when it is pillaged, and carry % chance of being damaged during Horde razes, if you have a skilled fortification expert advisor you could probably have a counter-event fire to fix it for 1/4 of the price immediately. In return for vunerability they never shut off, and only decrease in levels until destruction.

You'd need consecutive wars to raze a monument, revanchism would speed back up the monument construction with nothing short of a mission or critical event (religious ideas heretic extremists rallying to raze stonehenge) to destroy a monument all of 3 levels at once.