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(Not sure if this is where to report historical bits or not, so move if needed)

There are several small things to note about this house.

They're written as Saxon in the dynasty file, but were Frankish. Simon I de Montfort was a comte of the barony Montfort-l'Amaury in the county of Paris, he died in 1087 (with another source writing 1089, probably confusing him with his son) not in 1075 as the history file says.

One of his sons became lord of Evreux (Amaury III, in 1118) while the others in succession became comtes of Montfort-l'Amaury ending with Simon II who left the barony to his brother, Amaury III.

There's a few other errors, none of which are important, but without having the family at least as a baron, they simply disappear in the 1066 scenarios, which is a shame.


Shall I do anything more with this? (I remember a few other reports about historicity, but not what's done with them :p )

EDIT: There's also several children missing.

The bit about Amaury III being both signeur of Montfort-l'Amaury and comte of Evreux is difficult since then there's an English bit in Paris... Ooops.
 
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This is the progenitor of the dynasty, also eponymous for the castle that bore their name. His birth was probably earlier, but this is the latest it could be and still make sense in the game.

Code:
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]4122000 = {
	name="Amaury" #Amaury I de Montfort
	dynasty=4003
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	980.1.1 = {
		birth="980.1.1"
	}
	1031.1.1 = {
		death="1031.1.1"
	}
}[/COLOR]

His son was Simon I de Montfort who took over after his father. He had a total of eight children (possibly nine) of whom the first six are of interest. Four of these are represented in the game. He's sometimes sourced as having died September 25th according to the necrology, but this is more likely his son, Simon II, but I've given him the date since there's some confusion there (I've not actually been to the grave, so can't say one way or another without some digging I don't think it's worth :p ).

Code:
41220 = {
	name="Simon" #Simon I de Montfort
	dynasty=4003
	martial=7
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=6
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	add_trait="lustful"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	father=4122000
	1025.1.1 = {
		birth="1025.1.1"
	}
	1055.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=41221
	}
	1060.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=10018
	}
	1087.[COLOR="#FF8C00"]9.25[/COLOR] = {
		death="1087.[COLOR="#FF8C00"]9.25[/COLOR]"
	}
}

The first of his children that's missing is also his first son; Amaury II de Montfort. After the death of Simon I, Amaury II took over, but reigned for only two years before falling in battle.

Code:
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]4122001 = {
	name="Amaury" #Amaury II de Montfort
	dynasty=4003
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	father=41220
	mother=41221

	1055.1.1 = {
		birth="1055.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1 = {
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}[/COLOR]

After him came the second son, Richard I. He is listed in game, but seems something of a conflation between himself and possibly his younger brother, OR William of Evreux. At any rate, he died in 1092 rather than 1116 as the history file says.

Code:
41226 = {
	name="Richard"
	dynasty=4003
	martial=5
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=3
	stewardship=4
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	father=41220
	mother=10018
	1066.1.2 = {
		birth="1066.1.2"
	}
	[COLOR="#FF8C00"]1092[/COLOR].1.2 = {
		death="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]1092[/COLOR].1.2"
	}
}

Then comes the other missing child, Simon II de Montfort. He took over after his brother Richard but died without issue (like all the others so far) in 1101.

Code:
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]4122002 = {
	name="Simon" #Simon II de Montfort
	dynasty=4003
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	father=41220
	mother=10018
	1068.1.1 = {
		birth="1068.1.1"
	}
	1101.1.1 = {
		death="1101.1.1"
	}
}[/COLOR]

Finally there's Amaury III de Montfort, the son that managed to stay alive long enough to produce children. He's also correctly listen in the files, but there're some children missing of his as well.

That was the sons, then there's the daughters.

First there was Isabel, who married Raoul de Tosny (represented in game as a Courtier). She's listed correctly, with the correct children (or correct-ish, she's also not very interesting). Then there was Bertrade de Montfort, a Lady no good man would praise other than for her beauty, as a certain chronicler said. Nice guy.

Her history is actually the most fascinating of the entire family (at least until the Crusades). She was apparently quite beautiful (so I gave her the "Fair" trait) and caught the eye of Fulk IV of Anjou. They were married (Fulk having been married AT LEAST four times before ^_^ ) and together they had Fulk V who became King of Jerusalem after marrying Queen Melisende. Then, in 1092-ish, King Philip Ier Capet either kidnapped her or convinced her to go and despite both having living spouses married her in May of 1092. They both got excommunicated for this. There was some back and forth here, where the King kept promising to leave her, recieving communion, breaking his promise and being excommunicated again. It was lifted for good in 1104. Here they are listed in the files as having separated, but I've seen no hint of that elsewhere, but for consistency I just put it into her file as well. The King died in 1108 and Bertrade apparently "took the veil" (there's some claims that she tried to have the young prince arrested by the English to let her son inherit) after his death (gave her Celibate after that).

Together with Philip Ier she had three children, the eldest of whom should be a Count, the second a Baron and the last is missing one husband. I'll get back to these as they're not Montforts.

Code:
91021 = {
	name="Bertrade" #Bertrade de Montfort
	female=yes
	dynasty=4003 
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	[COLOR="#FF8C00"]add_trait="fair"[/COLOR]
	father=41220
	mother=10018
	1070.1.1 = {
		birth="1070.1.1"
	}
	1094.10.16 = {
		add_trait="excommunicated"
	}
	1104.12.1 = {
		remove_trait="excommunicated"
	}
	[COLOR="#FF8C00"]1108.7.30 = {
		add_trait="celibate"
	}[/COLOR]
	1116.1.1 = {
		death="1116.1.1"
	}
}

Code:
380 = {
	name="Folques"
	# AKA: Foulques 'le Rechin'
	dynasty=723
	martial=8
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=6
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	add_trait="arbitrary"
	add_trait="envious"
	add_trait="greedy"
	add_trait="deceitful"
	add_trait="ambitious"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	father=377
	mother=375
	1043.1.1 = {
		birth="1043.1.1"
	}
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]	1088.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=91021 #Bertrade de Montfort
	}
	1092.1.1 = {
		remove_spouse=91021 #Bertrade de Montfort
	}[/COLOR]
	1109.4.14 = {
		death="1109.4.14"
	}
}

Simon I had at least two further children, but they are unimportant for the scale of the game, they might be represented as Courtiers, but nothing more than that, so this sums up the three first generations.

There are some error further down the line, and I'll get to that later on.
 
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Females don't need to have spouses added, only the male need to have them for characters to be properly married.

Also, could you use a different colour then red to show your changes ?

TIA.
 

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In addition to the characters themselves, there are error in the title histories.

First, of course, is that b_montfortlamaury is missing any history.

Code:
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]996.1.1=
{
	liege="k_france"
	holder=4122000 #Amaury I de Montfort
}
1031.1.1=
{
	holder=41220 #Simon I de Montfort
}
1087.1.1=
{
	holder=4122001 #Amaury II de Montfort
}
1089.1.1=
{
	holder=41226 #Richard I de Montfort
}
1092.1.1=
{
	holder=4122002 #Simon II de Montfort
}
1101.1.1=
{
	holder=41222 #Amaury III de Montfort
}
1118.1.1=
{
	liege="d_normandy"
}[/COLOR]

In 1118 Amaury III is also made Count of Evreux, being the nephew of William of Evreux (de Vassey in the game), this of course transfers Montfort-l'Amaury from France to England. These are the first three generations of Montforts, and I'll just edit this post with the rest when I'm done.

I'm not sure if it's possible, but the barony might do well with a new flag. Identical to the dynastic shield actually.
 

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Sure, blue? No... that probably won't show all that well. Orange? That'd work. :)

So then I'll have to change the file for Fulk IV instead, right?

Code:
Does [COLOR="#FF8C00"]orange [/COLOR]work in code as well?

Also, could you use a different colour then red to show your changes?

Red? What red? :p Better?