THe U.S. isn't going to invade Europe anyway... and if they did, well... thats an unhistocial consequence. Its illogical to have an event that Monroe wrote kick in years after his presidency.
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Which is one reason why this event doesn't make sense.
Why? Polk and Roosevelt were far more responsible for the common perception of the Monroe Doctrine than Monroe himself.
because monroe wrote it. The USA won't be powerful enough anyway. If they are going to declare war on anyone, it woudl be Spain or England (who they will be allies with IIRC). And a war with spain is hardly historically inaccurate, is it 
Your placing too much emphasis on when every single thing happened in history. We aren't trying to rescript history. Just because Roosevelt and Polk expanded the Monroe Doctrine... it had its base with Monroe, which is where it will be in the game, IMHO.
Your placing too much emphasis on when every single thing happened in history. We aren't trying to rescript history. Just because Roosevelt and Polk expanded the Monroe Doctrine... it had its base with Monroe, which is where it will be in the game, IMHO.
If that's the case, giving the US free unhistorical casus belis is not a solution. There are other, more historically valid, ways to ensure that the US' power generally mirrors reality.
Events are designed to ensure the game progresses approximately similarly to the way history did. What you seem to be doing is adding events to make the game unhistorical.
But it meant next to nothing during Monroe's time. It had no real implications.
I have to disagree.
The "Monroe Doctrine" event gives the US CB's on any European agressor in the Western hemisphere. That'll probably not be limited to Spain or England. But anyways, the next time the US declares war on Spain will be in the 1890's. It should get casus belis then, with the sinking of the Maine.
Not really. The US rejected an alliance with England early in the game (in 1822 or 23, IIRC).
hmm... I will have to look around... I know there was an event researched that suggested a British-American alliance.
I am going to check up on my foriegn policy, which i took last year. I am going to be seeing that teacher, and I might ask him. I know that he gave us instances of the Monroe's influence in the 20s... it was just expanded in later years.
To be continued, though as of yet you haven't changed my mind... you have only made me believe polk was an expansionist, which i already thought
I am going to check up on my foriegn policy, which i took last year. I am going to be seeing that teacher, and I might ask him. I know that he gave us instances of the Monroe's influence in the 20s... it was just expanded in later years.
To be continued, though as of yet you haven't changed my mind... you have only made me believe polk was an expansionist, which i already thought
In the early years of the Republic up to the days of TR, war with France, Britain, and Spain was highly possible. During Madison and Monroe's presidency there were lots of plans for the invasion of Florida, the Gulf Coast, Mexico, and even Cuba and Columbia to "help" rebels against the Spanish government. The US should get cb's on Spain, Britain, and Russia (Oregon Country and Alaska) especially.
The US will not start with CBs on Alaska or Oregon, but there are 2 eents which will eithe secede those areas to the US, or give them CBs on the provinces....
Is it possible to guarentee independence through events? And why not vassalize some of these latin american republics?
and the monroe doctrine did allow us to fool around down there. Roosevelt instigating the Panamanian revolt, etc.
thanks
and the monroe doctrine did allow us to fool around down there. Roosevelt instigating the Panamanian revolt, etc.
thanks
it doesn't make sense!
IF you want to add more events during Polk's reign to show his aggresiveness, be my guest... but I STRONGLY disagree that the MONROE doctrine should kick in during Polk's presidency...
*sigh*
I need an asprin or 6...
IF you want to add more events during Polk's reign to show his aggresiveness, be my guest... but I STRONGLY disagree that the MONROE doctrine should kick in during Polk's presidency...
*sigh*
I need an asprin or 6...
Ok, I won't interfere anymore, to be honest I have only some general knowledge in this. If you need help scripting I'll availabe any time.
Its all in good fun for the purpose of intelectual growth
I think we need to collect the numbers of floating events and leaders for the USA... everyone seems to have some. I can organize them... if you all send them to me... I will post the events which need to be debated in the appropriate forum, but anyone who has anything... send to me at Jhower82@yahoo.com
probably could have been in the USA forum... oh well....
And I strongly disagree with the the Monroe Doctrine having any effect before Polk's presidency, since it didn't have any effect before Polk's presidency in history.
Do you have any examples of the US using the Monroe doctrine as a casus beli against a European power before Polk?
his 1823 rejection of Britain's policy to protect independent nations in south america
1. How did the US "reject" that policy? Hell, how could they?
2. How is this related to using the European agression in the Americas as a casus beli?
2. How is this related to using the European agression in the Americas as a casus beli?
a better choice might be to give the US a guarantee on every SA country at the time.
(giving them CB on anyone attacking them, also simulation some US gunboat diplomacy that happened in that century)
no CB shields though, we don't need the US of Brazil
(giving them CB on anyone attacking them, also simulation some US gunboat diplomacy that happened in that century)
no CB shields though, we don't need the US of Brazil
Can we give all North American countries the same religion and give US Defender of the Faith? Or have I been designing for Civ2 too much?
THe USA shouldn't be SDotF, not like it doesnt anything. THey were the exact opposite of DofT...