Monroe Doctrine....

[unmerged(6603)]

this should be a VERY large scale event... as it basicly dictated the history of the western hemisphere for quite a while... I am not sure how best to handle it... a Major EVENT... sorta like the ToT... in that any country who attacks a nation in the Western hemisphere is CB'd by the USA?
any other ideas?

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

It should be backed up by Britain too, just like in history. It was for commercial intrest instead of love America or principle.

 

[unmerged(6603)]

I was going to include a boost in relations and a trade agreement...

 

[unmerged(8084)]

Perhaps, when issued, Relations w/ all N. American nations 100+, relations w/ Spain, England -100, and/or CB's across Entire Continent, but that last thing could be iffy.

 

[unmerged(6603)]

the relations with england should be included, what should happen is somehow the U.S. should get a CB on any non-American country that is at war with an american country... as in north or south.

 

[Vulture]

Ok try to, just do not give them CB's for free... The AI wouldn't handle CB's as we want them to

 

[unmerged(8084)]

Maybe "temporary" CBs until 1914?

Originally posted by VultureGFF
Ok try to, just do not give them CB's for free... The AI wouldn't handle CB's as we want them to

 

[Styrbiorn]

Should the US have CB's on every American country until 1914? Isn't that a little too nice?

 

[Vulture]

True, and there is no historical claim for it... No do not give them

 

[unmerged(6603)]

on every North and South American nation? or every state... yes they should have shields for every state... but they will get the through 2 events I have written, manifest destiny and the oregon territory.

If we could create an event that checked to see if a European nation was at war with a American (read, north and south america) that would be the most accurate was to check on the Monroe Doctrine.

 

[Styrbiorn]

They got CB shields for every province!? Forgive me, but I think that is faar too much. Give them CB shields of the modern day US territory through events is my suggestion. Just because someone intends to conquere the whole world doesn't mean they should get CB shields (heck, in that case every warmonger - Britain, France, Austria Russia - should get loads of them).

 

[Vulture]

Aye I agree, as you might have seen Joseph, the US hasn't got CB's yet on Mexican & British soil in California. I suggest you add those through events, right?

 

[unmerged(6603)]

thats what i did... and what i meant... i dont think they shoudl get CBs on canadian or central american territoy.. just the modern day US...


they get the west coast via manifest destiny
they get texas (sometimes) via the texas related events
they get oregon in an event with Britain...
and they get alaska in Sewards Folly.

 

[Vulture]

Excellent work, that's exactly what I envisioned

 

[unmerged(6603)]

in addition... in the sinking of the maine, I think i am going to give them CB shield for Guantanamo and Puerto Rico... it should help govern what provinces they demand from Spain... maybe an event later with control of the phillipines.

 

[unmerged(1196)]

Y'all are exaggerating the importance of the Monroe Doctrine.

In the end, what warded off European intervention in Latin America, much of which was under British and American spheres of influence (a concept unfortunately unmodelled in the game - the closest thing in EU terms would be a vassalship), was the Royal Navy, not Monroe's rhetoric.

The Monroe Doctrine had little political relevance until Polk's agressive expansionism.

So passing the Monroe Doctrine should only imply worse relations with the European colonial powers (excluding Britain) and better relations with Latin America. Rejecting the Monroe Doctrine should imply the opposite.

The Monroe Doctrine could possibly trigger the Manifest Destiny events (California and Oregon) during Polk's Presidency.

So no more casus beli's until the Mexico's Civil War (and Texas' indendence).

 

[unmerged(6603)]

Manifest destiny was around earlier... the main thing that the Monroe Doctrine should do is give the US a CB against someone attackign the western hemisphere... it doesnt mean the US will do anything about it... just have the option. I was also thinking about triggering an alliance with England.

 

[unmerged(1196)]

The Monroe Doctrine had very little contemporary significance. Britain, not the US, was defending Latin America from other European nations at the time. Sure it might've pissed off some of the Europeans, but everyone quickly forgot about it, including the Americans, until it was revived by Polk.

So giving the US a casus beli over any European agressor in the Americas due to the Monroe Doctrine is patently absurd.

 

[unmerged(6603)]

no its not... its pretty much exactly what happened. Its the cornerstone of U.S. foriegn policy for... well... a long time. Some would argue through WWII... othere would argue it went into the cold war. It gave the U.S. justification for takign action against a European threat, if they wanted to. THats all a CB is, it doesn't mean the U.S. will use it each time... you should stop throwing around the word "absurd"...

 

[unmerged(1196)]

Sure, it had implications later on, but meant absolutely nothing in the couple decades following the Monroe Doctrine. A piece of paper means nothing unless its backed by arms. And it was British arms, not American arms, that backed that piece of paper. If anything, they should have the casus belis.

Like I wrote, it could have triggers to such an event later on, but certainly not in 1823. As is, this would give the US a huge unhistorical advantage.