Mongols don't suffer attrition even after settling and converting?

[Ciccillo Rre]

In my current game, I control a big Muslim empire stretching from Spain to Egypt (including Abyssinia and Mali). I am the Sunni Caliph, although I have a difficult time converting many of my Yazidi vassals (I originally favored the heresy to help me conquer).

I am the only muslim nation in the world: it's about 1300 and the Mongols have conquered everything in the east, with the exception of some lands in the hands of the Byzantines, and both the Mongol empires have turned Catholic.

Now, my objective is to 'liberate' Arabia, Syria and Mesopotamia from the Mongol rule via Jihad. I can raise about 240K troops while the Ilkhanate can raise 170K. Althoug logistically I am at disadvantage, with a peaceful realm and the other Catholics otherwise busy I should win, I thought.

Actually haven't tried yet (I am preparing the attack, pacifying vassals and so on), but I have been attacked by the Ilkhanate itself in a holy war for te duchy of Jerusalem. Now, I have been attacked by a giant doomstack of about 95K horse archers - the Khan's retinue.

I thought - they will suffer from attrition and die soon in the desert - ah ah! In the end the Mongols now are just a normal Empire lying there in the East.

This was not the case. The giant doomstack did not suffer any attrition. It conquered quickly the duchy without letting me react, although I had there about 60K men of my retinue (no cavalry, only heavy infantry, pikemen and archers).

Is this normal? Is this WAD? Any tips on how to tackle this?

 

[victimizer]

The army they get from the start of their invasion never starts to suffer attrition.

 

[Blitzzer]

The army they get from the start of their invasion never starts to suffer attrition.

To clarify, unless the starting army is completely destroyed, it will eventually regenerate back to it's full size in 140k-ish and, indeed, never suffer attrition.

Btw, do these mongorians still get reinforcements? Because in my game, I'm certain I demolished the stack of the golden horde completely but a few decades later, while defending the remnants of Rus from like the 9th Mongol invasion of Rus, they had a reinforcing stack with no attrition and max number of troops somewhere over 100k.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

The army they get from the start of their invasion never starts to suffer attrition.

Uhmmm, sad news. So basically I have to crush the big one army once for good and they will become 'normal', right? Seems I may have to lose against them a couple of times, maybe not.

Best way to deal with the horse archers? Pikemen and light cavalry?

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

To clarify, unless the starting army is completely destroyed, it will eventually regenerate back to it's full size in 140k-ish and, indeed, never suffer attrition.

Thanks. In my case though, this apparently 'original army' does not regenerate that much, it stays at 95K. Seems that I have to destroy it completely.

 

[JonStryker]

To clarify, unless the starting army is completely destroyed, it will eventually regenerate back to it's full size in 140k-ish and, indeed, never suffer attrition.

Btw, do these mongorians still get reinforcements? Because in my game, I'm certain I demolished the stack of the golden horde completely but a few decades later, while defending the remnants of Rus from like the 9th Mongol invasion of Rus, they had a reinforcing stack with no attrition and max number of troops somewhere over 100k.

The attrition-less army can't regenerate

 

[Mutineer]

That is correct, atritionless stack does not regenerate. One's some trops gone they gone for ever.

 

[Gunnarr]

I played as the mongols when they went Orthodox so I could sack all the important cities to see the events for them.

There is indeed a few doom stacks, but THEY DO NOT REGENERATE. They also do not get attrition, the units are like ghosts.

Often the AI will put the khans retinue with the doom stacks, so it gives the illusion that it is regenerating.
(and the attrition works for those retinue, but it is as if only they are in the land and the doomstack is not even there)

The doom stacks stop appearing after conversion, but the doomstacks they had at the time will remain and they will need to be destroyed.

I used the one doom stack I had left (it was around 100k) to take all the important cities (HRE was no match even for it!)

It eventually widdled down to about 40k

by then i stopped playing because i got bored




that is my experience