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Hmm.

It occured to me that the size reported is approximately equal to the size of the folder I have EU2's folder in: C:/Games/EU2. The size of the Games folder is around 3.74 gigs, not exactly the same but remarkably close. This sort of worried me.

So I backed up the entire folder and told the add/removes programs box to uninstall the scenario. Almost nothing happened. Most of the Mongolian folder was still there, even. :p All it seemed to delete were the scenario inclusion files (so there were no scenarios listed when you went to start a game) and something else miscellaneous and small (that caused EU2 to crash when I first tried to start a MES game after replacing the scenario files. I then replaced the entire Mongolian folder and it worked.)

So no, i think it's safe to say this isn't a significant problem. :p This is all under XP Pro, by the way.
 

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the revolt file needs this improvement :)

LAP = { no = U18
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1150 }
expirydate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1418 }
minimum = { 432 433 435 }
extra = { 440 }
capital = 435
group = latin
culture = iberian
ai = "leon1.ai"
}

CAS = { no = U18
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1150 }
expirydate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1418 }
minimum = { 431 436 }
extra = { 439 443 444 }
capital = 436
group = latin
culture = iberian
ai = "castilla1.ai"
}

cause i think, since the Castilla-Leon kingdom exists, Castilla and Leon mustn't revolt in any way...
 

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Duc de Guise said:
the revolt file needs this improvement :)
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cause i think, since the Castilla-Leon kingdom exists, Castilla and Leon mustn't revolt in any way...
For CAS I agree, but not for LAP, at least during the first years. As the heiresses to the last king of Leon sold the throne to the king of Castilla, the possibility of an angry leonese nobility revolting against the castilian king could be true. An ending revolter date of 1300 or 1350 instead of 1418 would be better, though.
 

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Perhaps some events could be made of the Papacy's and the French efforts to convert the Great Khan to Christianity.

Carpini (1180?-1252)
The first of great European travelers to set out the east was an Italian, Giovanni da Pian del Carpini, Provincial of the Franciscan Order at Cologne. He was excellent choice as Europe's first envoy to the East. He had been one of the early associates of Francis of Assisi. Since 1222, he had played a leading role in the establishment of the Franciscan order. Its vow of strict poverty, coupled with its evangelistic aspirations, made Franciscans (like Buddhist monks) well-suited to the challenges of travel in the Silk Road.
Carpini left Lyon with another Franciscan (Benedict of Poland) as his companion and interpreter in April 1245, carrying a letter from the Pope. He traveled by the northern route through Bohemia, Poland and the snow-bound Ukraine, where he became very ill that he had to be transported in a cart. Reaching Kiev they were advised to travel with Tartar horses on his eastward journey in the Tartar land. Early in February 1246, Carpini came upon a Mongol encampment on the right bank of the frozen Dnieper, where 60,000 men were guarding the western frontiers of the empire. Nobody was able to translate the Papal letters, but the party was provided with guides and relays of the horses. The next stop, on April 4, was made at the camp on the Lower Volga, where they were made to submit to the Mongol purification ceremony, which involved passing between fires. There while the Papal letters were being translated into Russian, Arabic and Mongol, they nearly starved to death, having fasted during the 40 days of Lent, apart from a thin porridge made with millet mixed with water melted down from snow. Four days later, they set off on the last stage of their journey toward the arid plateau of Mongolia. On July 22, 1246 after a 15-month journey of over 3000 miles, they finally reached the Mongol capital, Karakorum, as a new great Khan, Guyuk, son of Ogadei, was about to be enthroned. Invited to become a Christian, Guyuk indicated that first the Pope and princes of Europe would have to come and swear allegiance to him.

On November 13, Carpini took his leave of the Mongol rulers, carrying with him Guyuk's reply to the Pope (Fig. left). With the whole of Central Asia snowbound, the return journey was even worse than the outward one, and it took them until the following June to reach Kiev. In November 1247, Carpini delivered the Great Khan's reply to the Pope.

Longjumeau
Soon after Carpini's return, Louis IX of France was in Cyprus organizing the disastrous Sixth Crusade against the Saracens (Mamelukes) in Egypt, when he received an envoy from the Mongol commanding general at Tabriz in Persia. This messenger brought news that the Great Khan and his nobles had been converted to Christianity 3 years previously and there was a possibility of the Mongols helping Louis to fight the Saracens. This welcome overture prompted the immediate dispatch of a second mission to the court of Guyak in 1249, this time headed by a Dominican, Andrew of Longjumeau. Traveling at ten leagues a day, he and his companions reached Mongolia only to find that Guyuk had died 2 years previously without becoming a Christian. In the absence of a Great Khan, Longjumeau was sent home with an arrogant message to the effect that unless Louis sent a yearly tribute to her court he and his subjects would be destroyed.

Rubruck
In 1249, during Longjumeau's absence, Louis was defeated by the Saracens. He sent a further delegation to karakorum. This was headed by the second of the great friar travelers of the Middle Ages, a 30-year-old Flemish Franciscan named William of Rubruck. He was to travel as a missionary rather than an ambassador, although he also carried letters from King Louis IX of France to the great khan. After a year at Constantinople preparing for the journey, Rubruck went by sea to the Crimea, landing in May 1253. From there he set off with four carts, a decision he later regretted because it doubled the time it would have taken had they traveled with horses only. With him went another Franciscan, Bartholomew of Cremona, a dragoman interpreter, a slave boy bought in Constantinople and some drivers for the carts.

In August, they arrived the court of Sartakh, a powerful Mongol chief who was reportedly a Christian. The report proved to be false, but Sartakh later helped Rubruck to the Great khan at Karakorum in Mongolia. There at the west of the Volga, King Louis' letters were read. In September, a messenger arrived with orders to take them to Mangu, (another of Ogadei's sons), who had succeeded Guyuk as Great Khan. The guide warned it would be a 4-month journey "and the cold so intense that it splits stones and trees". On September 16, with two pack-horses between the three of them, they set out with their escort towards the east. From there, they passed the Ural River and the steppes of Kazakhstan. It was a terrible journey. They were constantly hungry and thirsty, cold and weary. They were given food only in the evening; in the morning they had something to drink or millet gruel, while in the evening they were given meat to eat. Often the meat was nearly raw. For many weeks, there was no sight of towns, and at night came the first frosts heralding the onset of winter.

On November 8, they reached Kenchat, a Muslim town in the valley of the River Talas. There Rubruck learned about the yak, whose cows "will not allow themselves to be milked unless sung to", and which, like bulls in Europe, always attacked anyone dressed in red. The travelers continued their journey and by December 26, they entered a plain vast as a sea. Rubruck finally arrived at the destination. He seemed to have come through the ordeal well, but poor Bartholomew was almost at the end of his tether.

The friars remained for about 7 months with Mange Khan, the first three of which were passed in the camp, suffering terribly from the cold. Then they moved to Karakorum with the Great Khan and stayed there for four months. (Fig. right: Mange Khan with his wives and sons, from a manuscript of Rashid al-Din) During his stay, he was much visited and cross-examined about the purpose of his journey; he was only to baptize 6 people. He eventually realized that the great khan was interested in religion but would not become a convert. At a revealing interview Mangu told the friar that just as God had created the different fingers on a single hand, he had given people different beliefs and customs. While in the camp, Rubruck made the acquaintance of a Tibetan lama from whom he gathered further facts about China even though he never crossed the Great Wall and did not reach China himself. He was told about the paper money in use there, and how the people wrote with a brush, "making in one figure the several letters containing a whole word"; this is the earliest reference to Chinese writing and paper money in a western world.

At the end of May, Rubruck received permission to return to Europe. Mangu handed over his letter in reply to King Louis. It reads "Wherever ears can hear, wherever horses can travel, there let it be heard and known: these who do not believe, but resist Our Commandments, shall not be able to see with their eyes, or hold with their hands, or walk with their feet....If you will obey Us, send your ambassadors, that We may know whether you wish for peace or war...." Rubruck had to leave Bartholomew who was not fit enough to make the journey and Mangu khan agreed to keep him at court and looked after him. In August 18, 1254, Ruburck "parted with tears" from Bartholomew and set out with his interpreter, his guide and one servant by a more northerly summer route. It was another difficult journey and was not until a year later that Rubruck finally reached Tripoli. There he learned to his regret that King Louis had already returned to France, and Rubruck, sent to Acre by the Provincial of the Franciscans, was never able to deliver the Great Khan's letter in person.



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You really need to fix this scen, it is the most unstable mod I have ever tried. It just crashes for no apparent reason.

Otherwise it is really good. :)
 

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King Jary said:
You really need to fix this scen, it is the most unstable mod I have ever tried. It just crashes for no apparent reason.
Could you be a bit more specific/clear? Would help us to fix those bugs, as usually things don't crash for no apparent reason ;) Thx!
 

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The scenario is not supposed to crash at all till at least ~1190. If it does I recommend reinstalling the whole thing or playing at lower speed.
And yes, crashes dependent on the scenario itself are always for a specific reason and at/around a specific date. Random crashes are generated by problems in either the game engine (unlikely if you use 1.08 patch as required) or interaction with OS (corrputed istallation, 'old' windows etc.).
 

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To the MEs developement team:

I have put some post with various historical info on Languish.com.
Hope it is usefull. It is mainy about Il-Khanate and what happend when the Mongols arrived in the Crimea.

cheers
 

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I have been playing MES for some time and in 1210 I have reached a point where I can't load my savegames.
Everytime I try to load a savegame from 1210 or later the game crashes back to desktop without any error message. This is very frustrating since I had just isolated Venice by concluding seperate peace treatys with their "allys" during the 4th crusade.
Can anyone tell me the why to the hell the savegames are unloadable ?
 

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Ar-Pharazôn[GE] said:
I have been playing MES for some time and in 1210 I have reached a point where I can't load my savegames.
Everytime I try to load a savegame from 1210 or later the game crashes back to desktop without any error message. This is very frustrating since I had just isolated Venice by concluding seperate peace treatys with their "allys" during the 4th crusade.
Can anyone tell me the why to the hell the savegames are unloadable ?
Maybe the best option is that you send the savegame to Kasperus, so he could look for an error, but let's wait he appears here to confirm that.
 

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Good timing, Kaigon! Today I've just built the installer for the next patch (0.3.2). I'll send it to my MES-buddies for a pre-release testing and if all goes ok in two or three days we'll release that patch.
 

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I have a few thinggies to report. All are for England.....in normal GC version 3,0

1. I had the Baltic crusade twice (both in 1187)

2. I had Richard returns twice ( but different events) 1192 and 1193

3. There was no event for the Third crusade...

4. The revolts where to heavy, and did not enable me to wage war in the Levant

5. Those same events forced two loans upon me......

6. The fourth crusade fired twice. 1198/ 1203

7. on 1-2-1210 the game crashed to desktop, and did so again after reloading and again and again....
(when I reloaded the first two shield (to select) in the upper screen where English and when I changed both did so.)

8. In 1205 scenario I can not choose to play England or Scotland....

Cheers and keep up the good work.
 

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Thanks for reporting, Singleton.

For (8) I'll fix it at once.

For (1) Kasperus did the events, but I see now that event 111409 has "country = ENG" when it should have "country = POL", correct me if I'm wrong, Kasperus.

For (6): there are two events for the 4th crusade: the first asking to join the crusade, and the second allowing the player to choose when the crusaders decided to head towards Constantinople. Moreover, is that a game from the "hoping country AAR"? if you changed to/from England, it could receive twice the same event: one intended for human player and other for AI if the dates more or less close.

For (4) and (5) I think it's intended as it is, although I'll ask Sire Philippe, who did these events, as did the Richard's events (2).

On (7): no idea why, do you have a savegame? perhaps Kasperus could take a look at it.
 

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2. I scripted the 3rd crusade in a single file and I included some post-crusade events that seem to be duplicated in the England file, done by Sire Philippe. So we'll try to correct this ASAP.

3. That's pretty weird. England has chosen to go crusading, or not, in every single game I've played :eek:

4. England is not supposed to battle as a country in the Levant, at least in the crusades. We decided to reproduce the crusades by sending money and troops (and even some leaders) to Jerusalem, and not thru a declaration of war. If people want to play the first crusades (basically until the 5th and 6th crusades) they'll have to chose to play KoJ.

7. No message at all? Just CtD?

Thanks for reporting this stuff, Singleton!!! :)
 

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For (6): there are two events for the 4th crusade: the first asking to join the crusade, and the second allowing the player to choose when the crusaders decided to head towards Constantinople. Moreover, is that a game from the "hopping country AAR"? if you changed to/from England, it could receive twice the same event: one intended for human player and other for AI if the dates more or less close.

So you are looking into it sometimes :D

What do you think of it.... Nice to see three different games running proper, ain't it?
 

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2. I scripted the 3rd crusade in a single file and I included some post-crusade events that seem to be duplicated in the England file, done by Sire Philippe. So we'll try to correct this ASAP.

3. That's pretty weird. England has chosen to go crusading, or not, in every single game I've played :eek:

4. England is not supposed to battle as a country in the Levant, at least in the crusades. We decided to reproduce the crusades by sending money and troops (and even some leaders) to Jerusalem, and not thru a declaration of war. If people want to play the first crusades (basically until the 5th and 6th crusades) they'll have to chose to play KoJ.

7. No message at all? Just CtD?

Thanks for reporting this stuff, Singleton!!! :)

4. It was very nice to be a part of the Baltic crusade and create the Livonian order ;)

7. No, none message whatever. and I think I overwrote the savegame, sorry.... But it is nice England will be playable in the next version, so I can continue my game.


Keep up the good work.